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Reminder that everyone in this conflict besides Civilians are bad people. Hamas is a terrorist organization. The Israeli government support the genocide of the Palestinian people. Everyone else are just planning to profit from this.
Every group that fights an occupying force gets labeled a terrorist organization.
When Argentina occupied the Falkland Islands, the UK military who fought them weren't described as a terrorist organisation. Not by anyone with an ounce of sense at least, and certainly not by the islanders who's land and homes had been occupied.
Every indigenous group that fights an occupying force gets labeled a terrorist organization.
Well done, that's less false than your initial comment.
Thanks for testing my thesis.
Hmm, I wonder what the difference might be...
How is the UK not the occupying force there? The Falkland Islands are nowhere fucking near us.
The people fighting against a genocidal state are 'bad people'? 'Terrorists', even?
What exactly is wrong about fighting back against one's own genocide? Should they be peacefully protesting it instead?
Oh stop it! There's a literal genocide going on and you feel the need to start handing out these "both sides bad!" "Reminders".
Israel: we literally don't consider the people of Gaza to be humans
You: sheesh, I really I can't tell the difference between these two!
*Israel Minister.
And Hamas also thinks jews are no humans, so yes, there is no difference.
So... A representative of the Israeli state? The state founded on Zionism? That's not a correction. That is Israel.
Source? Hamas has a history with anti Semitic conspiracy theories and generalizations, but not to the extent of saying Jews aren't human.
Not to mention, even said anti semitism was dropped long ago, when Hamas underwent a radical shift in membership when Israel killed off other PLO groups.
They literally want to kill all Jews and convert the whole world to Islam. Do you think that's better than calling someone an animal?
"I think you're absolutely a civilized and intelligent human being, and I want to see your intelligent brains on the ground so I can convert them to Islam".
Source? Highly doubt
Not really concerned with with if they want people convert to Islam. Christians want to convert the whole world to Christianity too. Not concerning. not even close to Israel.
There is literally no difference between oppressor and oppressed, you imbecile you, absolute moron.
Shut the fuck up. Every Israeli "civilian" is complicit in the torture of Palestinians, except for children. Not to mention they're all potential combatants anyway.
The rebels in star wars are terrorists because they killed civilians living in the death star. They're just as bad as the empire.
What definition of "terrorist organization" are we using here?
Any of the popular definitions. If they're simply organizations against the government, they're terrorists as Israel basically claims Palestinian land is their own. If they're organizations that use terror, brutality, and fear against citizens to achieve political ends, they're definitely terrorists, and so are the IDF.
Every single liberation group was considered a terrorist organization. Fuck, even Antifa gets called that and they're not even an organization.
I've always wanted to find sources of the monarchy calling American revolutionaries terrorists. Maybe that language wasn't prevalent then.
What do you think about hamas killing innocent people, children?
Which children? Did Hamas target children like Israel does, or were they unfortunately caught in cross fire while they were fighting against their genociders?
They targeted any Israeli civilians, not just settlers, just anyone going door to door killing families.
Please show me evidence where Hamas targeted civilians minding their own business, and weren't just caught in crossfire. I doubt it.
The massacre at a music festival early on would suggest Hamas isn't just a group of freedom fighters.
Hamas did not massacre a music festival or even target it. The idiots held a dance rave at the border of a concentration camp and a war zone, and they ended up caught in cross fire. Grab any half sane person on the street and they'll tell you this is a bad idea.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/10/israeli-troops-mass-on-gaza-border-as-death-toll-from-hamas-attack-passes-1000
Hamas believe that Jews are literally the enemies of Allah and that it is a holy war to kill them.
Incorrect. Hamas, in accordance with the Quran, believes it is possible for Muslims, Jews, and Christians to live in harmony. Furthermore, in their updated charter they explicitly reject targeting Jews for simply being Jewish:
I'd be a little mad at them too if I were in their situation.
That's literally how the Nazis thought about Jews. "There are too many in our country, they are taking away our jobs an money".
How's that the same?? Just reread them both, slowly.
God I hate feddit de so fucking much.
I do agree that conservative Islam is partially to blame for the violence and terror but so is conservative Judaism. The conservative jews think it's their God given right to take the homes of the Palestinians and rule over them. Religion is fueling the fire on both sides.
Aren't the governments made of and supported by civilians?
There are non-combatants in this conflict that are bad people. They cheer on the extermination of others. Sometimes that's Hamas or the PLO (they run a fund that gives stipends to families of terrorists). Other times it's certain Israeli Jews who encourage conflict while not risking their own necks because they can claim a religious exemption from military service. They seek an Israel without Palestinian territories, or for that matter Palestinians at all (aka ethnic cleansing).
I'm not saying that non-combatants should be targeted. At the same time, I am saying that just being a civilian does not mean someone lacks blame.