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Far-right AfD says it is now ‘major all-German party’ after state elections
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The Greens had like something around 10% at that time. I think you highly overestimate the influence they had. They get some brownie points in the coalition papers and then they agree to carry the points of the SPD. That's how coalitions work in Germany.
If you look at how currently the FDP is holding the government hostage, the Greens could very well have done much more under the Schröder government, had they only wanted to. They just didn't.
I'm not sure I want the Greens to be more like the FDP.
They already are, just in a worse way.
Username checks out I guess, but I'm not a fan of those constant shit takes.
It's not a shit take, the Greens are neoliberal. They are an FDP for people who want to ease their ecological conscience by driving a brand new electric SUV to the organic supermarket to buy an organic soy latte packed in single use plastic for only 3.99€.
It is. It's downright moronic and typical anti Greens propaganda bullshit.
When the Greens were a part of the Schröder government, they took part in instating the worst social cutbacks in post WW2 German history. Since then, there is little reason to believe they have changed
They will form a coalition with anyone who offers them a place in government.
If you can afford a house of your own, and putting solar panels on top of it or changing the heating system just so, or buying a brand new electric car, they'll happily subsidise you for being already pretty well off. If you can't afford something like that, no subsidies for you, but feel free to pay the increased energy prices you dirty polluter of the environment.
If they ever manage to propose something that benefits less wealthy people, they'll roll over the very instant their coalition partners say no. All while one of those coalition partners is showing how it's done by shamelessly blocking virtually anything that goes against their own agenda with zero repercussions. The social side of the Greens (or what little is left of it) is pretty much toothless.
You're just further proving my point. But whatever, have fun with your AfD Nazis.
Don't worry, I won't have fun with the Nazis. As I remarked somewhere else, I regret that the German political spectrum is missing credible parties on the left. This has unfortunately led to a right shift of the entire political spectrum, which has enabled the AFD Nazis to gain popularity in the first place. Of course, shitting on the less wealthy parts of the population by pretty much all major parties does help with increasing that popularity even further, because they appeal specifically to those parts of the population, of course with the intent of shitting on them later.
But as you keep proving, people really don't bother with looking into what their favourite political parties are actually doing, or have done in the past, and prefer to let themselves get blinded by advertisements and Sunday speeches. If you don't want to go as far back as the Schröder government, just look at this let them eat cake moment of your beloved Greens. Things like that are why I think they haven't changed since then. If they were to change, they'd have to prove it. And as long as people keep voting for them instead of calling them out for being a bunch of neoliberal sociopaths, they won't change.
Unless a credible left alternative manifests itself, that actually improves conditions for the less wealthy, I unfortunately don't see much of a chance of avoiding a Nazi shitshow, because the political spectrum will continue drifting further to the right.
Yet you're here, spewing the same bullshit propaganda points of the AfD trolls. Makes it really hard to take you seriously. Those points have been disproven countless times already, it just gets old and tiresome, especially when they get repeated a hundred times each and every single day on political topics. But sure, keep on going. The matter of the fact remains that they're the only party left worth voting for in the Bundestag, especially if you actually care about the future.
Which points have been disproven?
My main point on the Greens still being a neoliberal shitshow that doesn't care about poor people was proven by a Green politician himself, who brazenly demanded from low income people to lower their living standard in order to be able to afford rising energy prices, while boasting about how he upgraded his own house to depend less on fossil energies. This, of course, isn't all that difficult to afford when you're living on a cushy state prime minister's salary. A party that tolerates people who not only think like that, but also make those thoughts a public statement, isn't really much better than the FDP.
This rhetoric of there being no alternatives is getting old. It's the same old narrative the SPD and Greens used when taking the axe to social security and workers' rights under Schröder.
Of course, the other parties are even worse, but that doesn't make the Greens any good. And the entire political spectrum being a steaming pile of shit is what is driving voters into the arms of the Nazis, because not everyone has a moral compass strong enough to prevent them from voting for such despicable people.
Oh yes, a bright future in which the lower classes have to lower their living standard in order to pay for the upper classes greenwashing theirs.
All of them.