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Iran has told Israel through the UN that it will intervene if the country’s operations against Hamas in Gaza continue, a report has claimed.

Israel has warned 1.1 million people living in the north of the enclave to evacuate ahead of an expected ground operation in Gaza with the IDF planning to strike the territory from land, sea and air.

Iran’s involvement could be through a militant group from Syria or by backing Hezbollah to join the conflict, diplomatic sources told Axios.

Meanwhile, Iran’s foreign minister Hossein Amirabdollahian said that Israel’s operations could cause fighting to expand to other areas of the Middle East which would cause Israel to suffer “a huge earthquake”, reported the Associated Press.

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[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 163 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Israel is 110% not going to heed this warning in the absolute slightest.

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 121 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Iran does not pose a credible military threat to Israel. They only have a couple of options - terrorist attacks from their proxies, maybe a cross-border incursion from Lebanon that would be a slaughter and change the balance of power there, or an air strike. Israel is so amped up right now that they’d respond with airstrikes inside Iran, and US carrier groups are in the area with no misunderstanding as to what they signify.

This is saber-rattling for theatrics.

[–] dependencyInjection@sh.itjust.works 63 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Iran are not wrong though, Israel need to chill.

It’s really annoying how the mainstream media is like yeah this is cool, when they’re commuting atrocities no better than Hamas committed.

I don’t know what it is with Israel that makes the world walk on eggshells but they have committed horrific acts and they should be called out on it.

Fucking monsters the Israeli government are.

[–] Echo71Niner@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fucking monsters the Israeli government are.

They are despicably evil.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck Hamas and all people who support leftist terrorists

[–] aliteral@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Hey man, you do know that Hamas has nothing to do with the left right? And yeah, fuck Hamas anyway, but you should not be equalizing leftism with terrorism support because, let me tell you, I have yet to meet one leftist that backs ups what Hamas did. The ones that "sound" lile they do, only are explaining that extremism is born through dispair, of which Palestinians have plenty of it after being ethnically clenaed for 70+ years. But that does not mean, in any way possible, that they not condemn Hamas actions. Quite the contrary, they condemn every terrorist action, Hamas or Israeli.

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[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, the only thing Israel is concerned about is the international reputation. They know they can't go full ham, even now every western government in support is dropping the "and I am SURE Israel will keep to international law" as a hint and reminder that there is a limit somewhere.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Lol... The UN has been trying to chastise Israel for decades now for literally breaking international law, and the US shuts it down with their veto power. They've already been doing it for decades.

[–] fruitleatherpostcard@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

Jewish people don’t eat ham.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also Israel had nukes and Iran doesn't yet

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Think they'll speed it up now?

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

They're idiots if they don't.

[–] dukatos@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What about ballistic missiles? Iran has it...

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Israel hasn't gotten many chances to test its other 2 layers of its defense system. Iron dome is just the first, short range layer.

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A nuclear threat would change that.

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably not all that much, to be honest. Look at India and Pakistan. That would be the closest example here.

Nuclear weapons’ most important role today is preventing an all out invasion of the country. Israel is already a nuclear power. They could launch a nuclear attack on Iran at any time. They don’t, for obvious reasons. Russia could launch a nuclear attack on Ukraine. They don’t, for equally obvious reasons.

I started my career in Soviet analysis, and ended up knowing quite a bit about the role of nuclear weapons in foreign and military policies. In the early days (50s), we thought it would be possible to fight and win a nuclear war. I don’t think anyone thinks that anymore.

There is no scenario which includes Russia using a nuclear weapon against Ukraine that does not end with the end of the Putin government if not the end of Russia as we know it. It wouldn’t even need to be a global nuclear war for that to happen.

The same holds true for India and Pakistan, which like I said is the best analogy. Implacable enemies with religious and territorial disputes, screwed over by colonialism, and ongoing low level violence.

Israel-Iran is the same, only more so. The I-P conflict doesn’t have the US as an unquestioning ally, unlike Israel. I-P have about 150 weapons each. Israel is estimated to have 100. Iran has 0, and even if and when they start production, they’ll have 5-10. And then you have to factor in the delivery of the weapon, which would be the opposition between the Iranian and Israeli (and US) air forces, with predictable results.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Thanks for your insights! I think I learned one or two things here. Please comment more on topics like these, if you like.

India and Pakistan, which like I said is the best analogy. Implacable enemies with religious and territorial disputes, screwed over by colonialism, and ongoing low level violence.

Sounds good indeed. I spotted another parallel between the two conflicts: Both can use the same abbreviation. At first I was confused when you started talking about "The I-P conflict".

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

By whom? Israel is the only one with nukes in the area.

[–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's signaling to the region.

Israel has a strong military for sure but they can't fight every country. Also, declaring war on the Muslim world is not something Israel can win even with Western support.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I mean they literally can fight every country, they did it before when they didn't even have their MIC up and running yet

[–] doctorcrimson 6 points 1 year ago

USA already issued a response after the statement from Iran, wanting to avoid a larger war.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

They may tighten down some screws in preparation.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] doctorcrimson 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Clearly the statement from Iran had some impact, USA already released a statement that they want to avoid a larger conflict.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you're ok with a world where everyone backs down at the word of Iran??

[–] doctorcrimson 3 points 1 year ago

I never stated any opinion in the above comment.