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submitted 8 months ago by mwguy@infosec.pub to c/world@lemmy.world

By Henri Astier BBC News


Israel has suggested that the long-term aim of its military campaign in Gaza is to sever all links with the territory.

Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said that once Hamas had been defeated, Israel would end its "responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip".

Before the conflict, Israel supplied Gaza with most of its energy needs and monitored imports into the territory.

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[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 27 points 8 months ago

It doesn't help when the government in the region digs up infrastructure to construct weapons with and makes hype videos about it.

[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 17 points 8 months ago

Man good point. Glad the Israelis aren't using any weapons that are disproportionately more effective on a captive populace. The prisoners shouldn't fight back against their oppressor through whatever desperate means they have available. Please die and suffer in silence, Palestinians.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub -5 points 8 months ago

I know right. Imagine they used air burst munitions or. Cheaper mass artillery barrages rather than the primary kinetic and precision strikes they use now. It would look like Eastern Ukraine in Gaza.

[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Ah yes, because the current bombing campaign against civilians and civilian infrastructure has been very humanitarian. So glad Israel has been showing "restraint". Never mind the white phosphorous too, very legal and very restrained.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub -1 points 8 months ago

Do you know how and why wp rounds get used? You mark a target with wp rounds and now it has an IR signature. So your artillery round can be a single "smart" round that hits your target.

Without wp you'd need to send dozens of rounds in to only probabilistically hit your target and if there was unexpected wind or pressure you might need to try multiple times. That would level whole neighborhoods and sometimes would level them as a "miss".

People talk about wp rounds like they're mustard gas or something. It's a wp round per target or it's 10-40 artillery rounds per target.

[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 4 points 8 months ago

How about, no rounds per target?

I love how you're debate-lording me on the specifics of how civilians, children and their infrastructure get blown to bits. Even if you could justify it in that way, that shit is still a war crime for a reason.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 0 points 8 months ago

It's not a war crime though. That's the point. They're not specifically targeting civillians. They're targeting dual use infrastructure.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

That's not making the point you intended.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 1 points 8 months ago

My bad. Imagine civilians killed in the original slave raid weren't Jewish.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

They weren't, the first civilian bombing in the conflict is objectively the bombing of a hotel that housed the Palestinian embassy of sorts, killed like 91.

Pointing fingers in this conflict is a bit idiotic, the protagonists are all ultra religious shitheads fucking over huge populations because of story time interpretations.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub -1 points 8 months ago

Details on the hotel bombing?

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago
[-] mwguy@infosec.pub -1 points 8 months ago

That was in 1946. How many peace treaties and ceasefires have there been between them and the current conflict?

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

The start of a trend does tend to be earlier than everything that follows.... I'm not sure how or why you think that's a valid point.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 0 points 8 months ago

Because if any conflict between people, even ones that have been resolved, can be used to justify current violence; there's no concievable violence that can ever be unjustified.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

My bad. Imagine civilians killed in the original slave raid weren't Jewish.

Take your own advice boss.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub -1 points 8 months ago

I am. If the IDF had conducted a slave raid into Gaza I'd be calling on the US to partner with the world to enact regime change and bring the perpetrators to justice.

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago

That's very true, however I don't believe Gaza had sufficient water supplies even before then.

The whole issue is a mess, with so many bad actors on both sides.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 7 points 8 months ago

Gaza has a sizeable aquifer and it's received enough aid where it could have and should have built desalination plants to augment it's water supply (but instead spent that money on Condos in Qatar).

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

*Have been routinely denied permit, it's been a thing for awhile.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/

You can blame Hamas for being shitty but they wouldn't have support without Israel being shitty. Stop trying to point fingers, everyone is to blame and no one here has the moral high ground.

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