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Twitter's lost 13% of its daily users and its rebrand has failed (www.bigtechnology.com)
submitted 1 year ago by sculd@beehaw.org to c/technology@beehaw.org
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The new data — comprehensive and definitive — should put to rest the countervailing narratives over Musk’s management of the app. Under his stewardship, X’s daily user base has declined from an estimated 140 million users to 121 million, with a widening gap between people who check the app daily vs. monthly. X’s remaining daily users are engaged similarly as before. But the pool is shrinking. Apptopia pulls its data from more than 100,000 apps on iOS and Android, along with publicly available sources.

So apparently it lost only 13% of daily users? Thats a smaller number than I thought. Still bad news for Twitter though.

On the other hand, it shows the power of content creators and niche communities. I used less Twitter but cannot delete it because it is literally how I connect with my niche community on there.

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[–] dan@upvote.au 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Reddit and Lemmy are definitely social media. A subreddit or Lemmy community is effectively the same idea as a Facebook group, just with pseudonyms.

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The quantifiably different thing about lemmy is nobody is trying to trap you in a skinner box.

[–] Rambi@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

I mean it kind of ends up being a Skinner box anyway just because of the loop of scrolling, seeing a post, looking at it and repeating. But I agree nobody is actively trying to trap you in one.

[–] snowe@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Social media has always excluded forum like sites. It most definitely does not include anonymous sites. Social media has a strict definition about having connections to people, none of which Reddit nor lemmy has. Reddit technically added followers, but you cannot see nor interact with them, that’s not social media, that’s an email list. If lemmy is social media then so is every single comment section on every news site ever.

[–] dan@upvote.au 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Social media has always excluded forum like sites.

So are you saying that Facebook Groups aren't social media either? That's a forum like site.

This is Merriam-Webster's definition of social networking:

forms of electronic communication (such as websites for social networking and microblogging) through which users create online communities to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content (such as videos)

This is Cambridge's:

websites and computer programs that allow people to communicate and share information on the internet using a computer or cell phone

Lemmy and Reddit both fall under these definitions.

Reddit technically added followers, but you cannot see nor interact with them,

Not sure what you mean by this... Reddit has had chats and PMs for a long time.

It most definitely does not include anonymous sites

Neither Lemmy nor Reddit are anonymous. They're pseudonymous. Something like 4chan where you don't even need an account is anonymous.

[–] snowe@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So are you saying that Facebook Groups aren’t social media either? That’s a forum like site. Tumblr isn’t social media either?

Correct, facebook groups is not facebook. It's forum software hosted at the same url as facebook. Same as Facebook Marketplace. Marketplace is not facebook. It's craigslist. It just happens to be hosted at the same url as facebook. Just like StackOverflow Chat is not question and answer software even though it's literally hosted at the same url. Just like your phone is not social media even though you both create communities on it and communicate with people on it. If you don't understand how servers work behind the scenes then maybe that doesn't make a lot of sense to you, but a url is nothing more than a sign to put on the front of your building. You can then teleport the user to anywhere else in the universe and it can have absolutely nothing to do with the original location at all. This is the framework of the internet.

Lemmy and Reddit both fall under these definitions.

literally every single website on the entire planet meet those definitions.

Not sure what you mean by this… Reddit has had chats and PMs for a long time.

You cannot interact with your followers. I didn't say anything about communicating with individuals that you see around the site. You have no way to know who your followers are you have no way to message your followers. You have no way to interact with your followers. Reddit is a forum software, exactly like every forum software before it.

Neither Lemmy nor Reddit are anonymous. They’re pseudonymous. Something like 4chan where you don’t even need an account is anonymous.

accounts have nothing to do with anonymity, maybe you're using some layperson's version of anonymity, but anonymous means it does not require real information. reddit and lemmy are anonymous.

[–] dan@upvote.au 1 points 1 year ago

literally every single website on the entire planet meet those definitions.

Complain to the dictionaries about it, then :) for now I'm sticking with the dictionary definitions.

but anonymous means it does not require real information

Every post you make on Reddit or Lemmy is tied to your username. There's only one snowe@programming.dev and every post under that username is made by you. That's why it's pseudonomous, not anonymous - it forms an identity for you.

An anonymous system would have no way to tell that your posts are by the same person. See something like 4chan. You could post a comment or thread under the name "snowe", but it's anonymous because anyone can do that. There's no way to connect your posts together.