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The idea of a firmament is definitely a thing and has been for thousands of years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmament
I’ve heard about it all my life from mainstream Christian churches too. Though it’s more of a metaphorical thing than physical. Like it’s a supernatural reason why we can never get to Mars rather than being a glass dome.
I always had the impression that firmament was synonymous with atmosphere for some reason. I'm not sure where I got that idea.
there's been a lot of ways of rectifying what's obviously true and scriptures over the years.
which is amusing because they'll do anything to not admit their scripture-writers were wrong. It was written by people with a fixed- and flawed- understanding of the world they lived in. (We too have a fixed and flawed understanding, in point of fact. Its a bit better than theirs, mind, but it's still flawed.)
"yeah. they believed that. they were wrong" isn't really all that damaging to the over all story. But they think it is.
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most denominations and sects do, yes. There are still those more fringe-cases that absolutely do not.
It's not a betrayal, because they were innocents and had no knowledge. in that story, god created the scenario and then allowed it to happen... and then gaslit the shit out of humanity ever since.
WDYM we also have a fixed understanding? I'm as fluid as science.
History is full of great and not so great scientists who just couldn't accept a paradigm shift that totally changed their field of science.
Germ theory for example was a big one that got rejected by most of the medical scientists and professionals for decades.
I mean our conception is fixed to what we currently know. (Or “know”) in the broad scheme of things it would be rather rare to come across something that changes your fundamental understanding, right.
Looking back we can see that a lot of what people thought was straight up stupid. like barnacle geese… coming from… barnacles
But an observer looking back from far in the future at us… will likely see some of our beliefs as ridiculous.
I guess the realistic equivalent might be our local group. We can reach galaxies within it, but everything outside is moving away too fast for us to reach?
Isn’t that based on the Ancient Greek theory of Celestial Spheres