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I found I2P much better than Tor network, and now it supports BitTorrent protocol too https://geti2p.net/en/docs/applications/bittorrent .

Why haven't the pirates migrated to I2P? Why are we still using clearnet and making people backout of seeding cause of DMCA?

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[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think non technical people find the concept of a network within a network confusing. I think its more of i2p itself.

I do think it is the future of filesharing and if I was to create a torrent I'd use i2p. Hopefully with more clients implementing support it sees further adoption.

[–] RunAwayFrog@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do think it is the future of filesharing

In internet years, Torrenting is old. I2P is old. Even torrenting in I2P is old. Nothing about this is "the future".

Ideally, the future of file sharing would involve a fully/natively integrated anonymous network with content-addressable distributed filesystem.

But this will probably not happen, as that architecture didn't see large scale success before, except in Japan where at least some elements of this architecture are used in their popular P2P networks.

The I2P crowd themselves tried with Tahoe-LAFS, but that was never really a network, even aMule over I2P had more traction, and by traction I mean tens or hundreds of users, not thousands or beyond.

Ironically, the one content-addressable distributed filesystem that gained some attraction (outside Japan) is IPFS, which doesn't offer anonymity, or replication, or anything special really. Yet for some reason, some hype-susceptible techies liked it, together with the NFT crowd, a great fit.

The future of file sharing will depend on where most content will land where it will be easily accessible and quickly grabbable. How those networks will look like? Nobody knows.

[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ideally, the future of file sharing would involve a fully/natively integrated anonymous network with content-addressable distributed filesystem.

Isn't this just Freenet?

[–] RunAwayFrog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. That was what I'm alluding to when I wrote:

that architecture didn’t see large scale success before, except in Japan

Perfect Dark is a major network in Japan. Freenet is a network most people in the globe are not aware of. Hell, Perfect Dark may have a larger Japanese user-base than Freenet's global one.

It's worth mentioning that the former leader of the Freenet project wasn't the most competent. Combine that with him spending years trying (and failing) to cater to the needs of imaginary dictatorships' defectors (anyone of them using Freenet instead of Tor is the imaginary part), instead of focusing on maximizing the reliability and performance of the network to help its actual users. So it's not just the ignorance of the masses that was at fault. The default FN user experience was often a horrible one. And users needed to ignore the officially-recommended microblog/forum applications, and even use a patched FN version, to get a decent performance out of the network.

Anyway, Freenet is the past and the present. And as I wrote in the parent comment, I hope a Freenet-like network would become a major success in the future, but I'm not holding my hopes up.

[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel that there's so much potential in Freenet that's not being utilized. Or "Hyphanet" as it's now called. It could be one of the coolest things ever, but as it is I wouldn't recommend anyone to go there because of the default FN experience.

[–] RunAwayFrog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or “Hyphanet” as it’s now called.

wtf, I missed that news.

[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

https://www.hyphanet.org/

Apparently Ian and "Locutus" decided that they wanted the Freenet name, so now Locutus is Freenet and Freenet is Hyphanet. I'm sure this won't confuse anyone.

[–] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

This as fuck. Plus it’s not mainstream so people don’t feel pressure to try it

[–] idkman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

This is exactly what I'm looking forward too!