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[–] YaBoyMax@programming.dev 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

This article is nearly two years old. Also, I implicitly distrust any source which depicts Taiwan as part of the PRC.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Every single country on Earth except like seven (I only remember the Vatican and Paraguay) acknowledges that Taiwan is a dependent province of the PRC, including the USA and just about all of Europe.

[–] YaBoyMax@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, but as you know in many cases it's for purely diplomatic reasons since acknowledging Taiwan's sovereignty means basically severing ties with the PRC, and most countries do far too much trade with it to make that in any way appealing.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Of course it's purely diplomatic, acknowledging countries is diplomacy. The end result is the same.

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[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The unofficial consensus between the KMT/PRC was that Taiwan and China are one country. The NED-funded DPP has been trying to break that status quo, though.

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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Also, I implicitly distrust any source which depicts Taiwan as part of the PRC.

What did the RoC Marine Corps do to you?

[–] CarmineCatboy@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

that's a healthy way to distrust the US and chinese governments i guess

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] YaBoyMax@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm not sure why you would assume I'm American. I mean, you happen to be right in this case, but I'm still not sure why you'd assume that.

Anyhow, there's an irony in your assertion that disagreeing with the position of one's government is "brainwashed."

[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Americans are very ease to distinguish based both on their political stances (which tend to be rather unique) and how they express them (which IS unique).

Y'all are like those pickup trucks with LED lights. Once you realize they exist, you can't miss them.

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[–] ikiru@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure why you would assume I'm American. I mean, you happen to be right in this case, but I'm still not sure why you'd assume that.

che-smile

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (19 children)

You don't disagree with your government; you didn't know what your government's position was until right now.

You still don't really know what your government's position is, otherwise you'd understand that here, as in many cases, there's an official stance for diplomatic relations and then a bunch of propaganda (for both domestic and foreign consumption) that undermines that official stance.

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Anyhow, there's an irony

smuglord

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

You aren't brainwashed, you are just enculturated to a very reactionary ideology. I actually agree that it's better to analyze them as separate countries for the purpose of something like this graph, but this thinktank (which, to be clear, is very Atlanticist, i.e. aligned with your geopolitical views) is almost surely gunning for having their little infographics be diplomatically palettable in hopes that they get used by important bodies.

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