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[–] sagrotan@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (7 children)

You can remove Windows completely from your life with very little effort, no matter where you live and it's free! In the world of today there is no need whatsoever for that exploitive and in short bad OS anymore.

[–] 4lan@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

This comment is so out of touch.

I work in CAD and 3D printing and I'd be completely dead in the water if I used Linux.

No fusion 360, no cura

I bet there are plenty of other apps that I rely on that are not available on Linux.

I'm not some sort of Windows fanboy either. I'm disgusted with their action in the recent years.

I run Linux on my home server, but not my main computing machine

Let's be realistic here, your experience is not universal

[–] cole@lemdro.id 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, PrusaSlicer and its derivatives do have native Linux support. And you can use Onshape from the browser on Linux just fine and it is honestly really good. I do a lot of this stuff too

[–] Abnorc@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I’m not an expert, but I really doubt that most open source software can compete with the features and support of enterprise products. In almost every industry there are FOSS alternatives to professional software, but they mostly get ignored. If you really could pump out the same quality of work as quickly, I don’t think that most companies would forego the opportunity to save some money on licensing fees.

[–] cole@lemdro.id 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well, first off I wasn't presenting a "FOSS first" argument here. Onshape is a closed-source browser based CAD software but it works really well and I enjoy it. PrusaSlicer IS FOSS, but it is developed by the folks at Prusa who build the Prusa i3 printers - it is widely considered to be the "standard" for 3D printing slicers, better than CURA for sure.

Second off, this argument has an element of truth but kind of misses the plot. It is DEFINITELY possible for FOSS to be better and widely used and there are a couple of examples. I don't have a ton of time right now but just for fun I'll list a few. Blender is a great one, don't really need to explain how good it is. Also, KiCAD is really good these days too, second only to Altium. There are many more as well!

[–] Abnorc@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

I agree that’s it’s possible, and hopefully it gets to be more common in the future. It’s hard to compete with professional software since they often have large full-time dev and support teams, but there is a handful of examples of FOSS software that debatably outperform the competition.

[–] Sorgan71@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

unless you want your programs to run

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I mean some stuff is still running windows 98. What programs are you really needing to run?

[–] sviper@programming.dev 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Same ol Adobe and Microsoft products

[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

God I love people that pretend switching to Linux is for everyone. They’re the same dipshits that install Mint on their grandmothers machine without asking, then get defensive when she takes issue with it.

[–] Abnorc@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

I want to say that there’s no way people would install Linux without consent on someone else’s machine, but people have done crazier things.

[–] cor315@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I got a good one. That mandatory garbage Cricut software.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I think almost every Microsoft product has a FOSS alternative (that works in windows usually too) if you want to get away from them. GamePass/The Xbox app/Windows store doesn't, but that's almost it. If there isn't an alternative, it's not unlikely that it'll work through WINE. What software specifically are you looking for?

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Microsoft office and games with anticheat are two big categories.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There are alternatives for office. LibreOffice, which has been around forever.

As for anti-cheat, yeah that's up to the devs. Easy Anti-cheat supports Linux in the latest version, but it requires developers to implement it. I've been playing Hunt Showdown and it's fine. Counterstrike obviously works. I'd say on average, most anti-cheat is fine. It does require actual effort on the devs though, unlike games that just run with WINE/Proton totally fine most of the time without them doing anything.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

LibreOffice is great if you don’t need perfect compatibility with Microsoft office. If you do, the only good option is, well Microsoft Office.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago

Which also has online options, so...

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Ableton Live with plugins is osx or windows. Windows if you want custom hardware in any meaningful sense.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Agreed, I hate how people blindly use Windows because "that's what my shitty HP laptop shipped with"

[–] BrianTheFirst@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

...unless you have a machine that doesn't run linux well.

[–] registrert@lemmy.sambands.net 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If it's been a while you could try again as the kernel gets updated with support for various hardware.

One of my laptops was awful with Linux but after a good while I tried reinstalling a fresh distro and it ran like a dream.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah. Many of the complaints surrounding Linux and hardware are BS. But complaints about Linux running well on cutting edge hardware are often founded.

Linux devs can only stary supporting new hardware once they have access to it or to accurate specs. Often, this is only once the hardware has been released.

But 6-month old, and moreso 1-year old hardware? Generally works like a (good) dream.

This is why hardware vendors that design for Linux are so important (thanks, System 76!).

[–] BrianTheFirst@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Yeah. I was thinking of a particular gaming laptop, which does run almost perfectly with the latest kernels. But it's not all the way there yet.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

As in the PC has some hardware which only has proprietary drivers from the manufacturer?

[–] s_s@lemmy.one 2 points 8 months ago

Correct.

You can run linux on just any hardware, yet somehow the capitalist still manage to fuck it up.

[–] BrianTheFirst@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Or newer open source drivers that are buggy or missing features.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Sort of?

I run Visual Studio Enterprise, no, VS Code is not sufficient for some needs.

I have to edit complex PDFs in Adobe. Free, open source readers are not enough.

Even the best linux RDP or WebRTC or otherwise apps still don't seem to provide quite the same speed as RDP into windows hosts/servers.

I have to use Teams daily across multiple orgs, and the seemingly discontinued Linux support in lieu of the less-featured browser app / PWA just doesn't fly.

I've found building windows apps on Linux, while seemingly supposed to be net similar, often times do not turn out right.

Need full featured O365 to integrate with your work's O365? No go. Closest is installing edge on Linux and using the web version, which is subpar.

I hate windows, I use Linux when I can, but to say you can remove it from your life with very little effort is a blanket statement that is just unrealistic for many. To say there is no need is just off base.

Source: I use Windows, PopOS, KDE, Mint, and that apple OS thing that I hate more than Windows.

[–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 1 points 8 months ago

I agree it's very easy and takes very little force to remove windows from your life. Adopting another OS in the other hand...

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago

Like that would fix the OS.