it really isn't, the only thing keeping them from going full on holocaust on the Palestinians is international pressure, because Israel exists at "the pleasure of the west" in general.

Ironically, the only reason Gaza doesn't have their own Power and Water production is because Israel bombed it a long time ago and refuses to let it be fixed, because the bibi government uses it as a tool to influence Gaza, hilariously to support Hamas.

[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Regarding the power plant: it has 4 operational units but ran out of fuel as it was diesel powered. I have seen some information that Hamas has diesel as one of its resources but that was only reported by an Israeli media, hence it cannot be trusted.

It is debatable whether they would go "full holocaust" on Gaza without international pressure. However, I personally know some people who would support that and also certain right-wing parties want a complete siege of Palestine. I strongly disagree with this rhetoric. On the other hand, some political subjects support negotiations.

[–] orrk@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

you do realize that the current ruling powers in Israel consist in part of literally anti-Muslim terrorists who have dedicated their lives, and publically call for the historic Jewish homeland (from the Euphrates to the Red Sea) to be cleansed of Muslims and retaken for the Jewish people, they literally mirror Nazi rhetoric, (and ironically call holocaust survivors that disagreed with them antisemites), and the other calling for a full on apartheid state and for territorial expansion via annexation.

As for the idea that the Gaza power plant would just be out of fuel, that contradicts any number of local reports from various NGOs and even the UN, and judging by the Israeli track record in the area i will believe the other sources over them.

[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Israel is a democratic country (check democracy index) and there is a freedom of religion. 18.7% of population are Muslim, so Israel is definitely not against Islam. The comparison to Nazis is literally funny because Arab people (usually Muslims) have exactly the same rights as Jews. In addition, Israel is not an apartheid state. Some argue they perform apartheid on the Palestinian people but those under a different administration. By this logic, every state can be considered apartheid because citizens of that state have in that state more rights than non-citizens. That’s standard.

Mind showing any sources about the power plant? Wikipedia was reporting that all 4 generators were fine.

[–] orrk@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Some argue they perform apartheid on the Palestinian people but those under a different administration. By this logic, every state can be considered apartheid because citizens of that state have in that state more rights than non-citizens. That’s standard.

most of the world isn't the sovereign in control of the other countries, nor do Americans just annex towns in Canada every few weeks

Democracy index? which one? the economist? they don't care much about things like civil rights, as long as the majority of the population can vote, the government can enact + Radicalize legislation, if you actually looked up the methodology of the ranking (remember other nations in the same ranking as Israel still have legislation making being LGBT+ illegal and other such things)

18.7% of the population? that's less than the Armenians in Turkey.

and lastly, on the apartheid regime; if multiple Israeli human rights NGOs, the UN-HRC, Amnesty int., HRW, and even the Israeli supreme court have said it is an apartheid regime then maybe it is.

[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

18.7% of the population is a considerable amount of people. In the country I live in, the biggest "minority" is less than 7%.

The apartheid is debatable though. I know that European commission stated that Israel is not an apartheid regime. Israeli judiciary also does not say that the country is apartheid.

However, the Supreme court of Israel and UN decided that Israel illegally occupies land in the west bank, so there cannot be an excuse/counter argument for that.

may I ask what you mean by LGBTI+ rights? If I remember correctly, Israel is quite good in these terms (Not as good as some eňEuropean countries but far better than rest of middle east)

[–] orrk@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The point of the LGBT+ thing was pointing out that the definition of "democracy" the Economist uses, doesn't include civil rights (tho if you want to start comparing the treatment of LGBTQ+ people Israel isn't even the best in the M.east).

as for 18.7% being a considerable amount of people, thus can't be apartheid state is a massive nothingburger seeing as we have seen genocides happen to larger groups.

and in context of the European commission, I recommend you read their actual answer, because the "Israel is not an apartheid state" bit is politics, read the rest, and it's basically admitting that the Israeli state clearly disregards the civil rights of group/s

[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 11 months ago

What other middle eastern country is better in terms of LGBTI rights than Israel? Lgbti rights are not ideal there but they allow registered partnerships and even recognize same sex marriages performed elsewhere. In addition, Tel Aviv is one of the most gay-friendly cities in the world with some additional rights for LGBTI people.

I agree that we have seen genocide happening to larger groups than 18.7% but those 18.7% in arabs are nowhere near genocide. Arabs with Israeli citizenship have the same rights as Jews living there. They are members of the supreme court, they have a political party, etc.

I have checked the article and I agree it points out some mistakes made by Israel towards Palestinians but those actions cannot be considered apartheid. Yes, they illegally build settlements in an undisputed land but that’s not apartheid.