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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 157 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Because the 'numbers' that neoliberals have decided are the indicators of a "good" economy mean almost nothing to, in all likely hood, 95% of Americans.

Measuring the right thing leads to inconvenient conclusions (age till retirement, income at retirement, income independence, buying power, home ownership, business ownership, union membership, etc.)

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 61 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Bloody well hate the neoliberals. One was arguing with me on reddit that because people in Kenya are better off, compared to the 80s, I should stop complaining.

Like ok I am happy for the people of Kenya. I got nothing against them. So yeah good job. Now can my healthcare costs please go down? Because I am pretty confident that they can and the people of Kenya can also be doing well. One really doesn't impact the other that much.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No, you see, because TVs have gotten consistently cheaper (they're like the only thing to have done so), everything's working!

[–] ayaya@lemdro.id 25 points 7 months ago

And the main reason they're cheaper is because all of them are data harvesting machines. What a fun world where even your habits are a commodity!

[–] rambaroo@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Like they even give a shit about Kenya. Just blatant manipulation.

[–] bruce_willass@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I love that they chose a term to further muddy the waters between conservatives and liberals.

I hear neoliberal and I think, “huh, is the a new liberal?” Nope. It’s the exact fucking opposite.

[–] mriormro@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That term isn't new nor is it meant to muddy any waters. Liberals are not leftists.

[–] bruce_willass@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

That’s exactly what leftists are. The left is liberal. The right is conservative.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Outside the US, "liberal" often means "libertarian", not leftist. The Liberals in the UK and in Australia are very pro-business. The leftist parties in both countries, and elsewhere, call themselves "Labor" not "Liberal".

In the US, "neo-liberals" often refers to people who wanted to install pro-business regimes in other countries, like Iraq...

[–] mriormro@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Whenever you see reference to neoliberalism or someone mentions 'leftists' relative to 'liberals' it is in context with classical liberalism.

The wiki page is a pretty good jumping off point to understand some of the distinctions and discourse.

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

No, the left is socialist, the center is liberal, the right is conservative

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Fuck neoliberalism. Glad I found out what it was. It really highlights everything that is wrong with the American economy.