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[–] the_q@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

It's insane that cigarettes are still sold in the first place.

[–] Bideo_james@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You would rather have people smoking black market sigarettes that might be even more toxic than the regular kind?I also hate big tobacco but banning sigarettes will just replace a regulated market with a unregulated one.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago

I'd push for you to have to get a license to buy tobacco products and only issue that license to current users. (Much like a medical MJ license).

Just a small amount of hassle to hopefully prevent new smokers.

Ecigs make your point. Smoking was almost eliminated with millennials, gen z and younger are addicts because of that evil product.

[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

We've seen over and over that Prohibition doesn't work and often backfires, but as someone who lost a father to a stubborn tobacco addiction, I'm in favor of anything to nudge people to quit. Make tobacco absolutely suck to use. Ban flavors. Tax the shit out of it and subsidize nicotine gum+patches. Ban filters, which don't actually make them safer (they actually allow smokers to inhale the contaminants more deeply) and fill our environment with plastic pollution. Get rid of all branding on boxes.

[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Prohibition doesn't work, but I would like to see limits placed on where they can be sold, just like we have in many places with legalized cannabis. Make them only able to be sold in a dispensary. Make it so they can't be sold within a certain distance from schools. Continue to tax the shit out of them. The only nicotine products that should be sellable outside of tobacco dispensaries should be products aimed specifically at cessation such as nicotine gum and nicotine patches.

Vapes should also be similarly regulated, and I say this as a person who vapes. I go to a vape shop for my juice and supplies. I vape a refillable mod, not a disposable pod thing, which are sadly so popular nowadays. I am aiming to cease vaping soon. (Last time I quit nicotine, I was clean for 7 years, but when Roe v Wade was overturned, that night I bought a pack of cigarettes, a bottle of vodka, and went on a bender while wallowing in despair. Not a good time and well, nicotine is hard to kick after even just a few smokes, especially for someone who previously had the habit.)

Anyway. There are controls that would have a positive impact without being full-on prohibition.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Tax the shit out of it

They already are. It's like $100 a carton here but people still buy them. That's insane to me. When i quit they were around $20 a carton.

[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I feel like it still doesn't make up for their societal cost in terms of lost years of life, increased insurance premiums and pollution

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Dat tax revenue though. New Zealand just reversed it's radical generational smoking ban, because of the money.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just ban cigarettes and raise taxes, easy.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 points 9 months ago

But what if we raise taxes and raise taxes on cigarettes?

Most gouvernements, somehow