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Hospital workers confessed to concealing weapons in incubators in the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU), a space intended for treating premature babies.

Video: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b15f0ps8p

Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20231217121032/https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1702751840-idf-conducts-operation-in-hamas-controlled-hospital-apprehends-90-terrorists

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That still sounds like you're saying all of those children's deaths were justified.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's terrible, it's tragic, it's unfortunate, but yes it's justified provided these deaths are collateral damage when attacking valid military targets, as it seems they are.

What is not justifiable is using them as human shields and hiding among them. This is what caused these deaths: Hamas murdering Israeli civilians while hiding behind the children of their own nation.

Why Palestinians don't have more outrage for Hamas than they do for the IDF is beyond me.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yeah they sure were accused of doing a terrible thing 10 years ago by the incredibly biased against Israel UN, If true I condemn that too.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I see, so you totally believe the IDF's claim that these 90 men were terrorists, but the UN is definitely incredibly biased and because it happened 10 years ago, it doesn't count.

Interesting.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I never said it didn't count, but I would say it's not terribly relevant to the Israel Hamas war that's going on right now, and has not caused comparable deaths even if true. It just seems like an attempt at false equivalency between Hamas and IDF.

While it's good to be skeptical, the IDF is far more credible than their opponents or their detractors. They could still be lying but I'm not going to presume they are without evidence.

Regarding UN bias against Israel:

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

the IDF is far more credible than their opponents or their detractors.

Based on what reasoning?

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The fact that they present video evidence to support their claims, that they have so much scrutiny upon them, that most of the disputed claims they make end up being verified, and because frankly in this conflict I consider them the good guys. After watching October 7th footage, I believe Hamas earned what it's getting.

I'm certainly not going to readily believe the perpetual aggressor who pretends they are a victim as soon as they get counter attacked, who hides among civilians, openly commits war crimes, advocates for genocide, performs acts of terrorism, committed ethnic cleansing, oppresses women and lgbt people, while falsely screaming that Israel is doing the same to them like a boy crying wolf.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The UN also presents video to support their claims. What's the difference? Their video is fake?

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are you referring to the incident from 10 years ago? If there's a video and solid evidence of this war crime, I hope the one responsible got punished, but again, I don't see why this is terribly relevant to the war going on right now.

It also should be acknowledged that there's a difference between official idf policy and what soldiers do. I'm fairly confident that in any armed forces one will find unacceptable behavior if they look hard enough. Hamas' atrocities are official policy and strategy.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Amazing how you will excuse the IDF of any awful thing they do. Kill thousands of kids- acceptable losses. Use human shields- the IDF didn't do it, individual soldiers did.

And I'm sure they're burning food for a very good reason. It's probably got bombs in it.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Asked by CNN about the videos, the Israel Defense Forces did not dispute their veracity, location or that IDF soldiers were involved. It condemned the soldiers’ behavior, which it said does not align with its rules, adding that the perpetrators will be punished.

It's against their rules and they're going to be punished for it, so it's unclear to me why you cited this. This is clearly not IDF policy.

It seems like you're trying really hard to establish false equivalency. It's clear to me that although it has its faults, IDF is nothing like Hamas.

It's amazing how you will condemn the IDF for actions that most other militaries in the world would also do if in their position.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Has the IDF ever done anything wrong?

But you're right, I would condemn any military that killed 7000 children in a few weeks.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Most definitely! They tried to cover up the murder of Shireen Abu Akleh and once their lies were revealed, they refused to punish the soldier responsible. I consider that to be pretty abhorrent.