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The Colorado Supreme Court is removing former President Donald Trump from the primary ballot, saying he is ineligible to be president.

In a stunning and unprecedented decision, the Colorado Supreme Court removed former President Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 ballot, ruling that he isn’t an eligible presidential candidate because of the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban.”

“Even when the siege on the Capitol was fully underway, he continued to support it by repeatedly demanding that Vice President (Mike) Pence refuse to perform his constitutional duty and by calling Senators to persuade them to stop the counting of electoral votes.

“President Trump’s direct and express efforts, over several months, exhorting his supporters to march to the Capitol to prevent what he falsely characterized as an alleged fraud on the people of this country were indisputably overt and voluntary.”

Ratified after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment says officials who take an oath to support the Constitution are banned from future office if they “engaged in insurrection.” But the wording is vague, it doesn’t explicitly mention the presidency, and has only been applied twice since 1919.

We have full confidence that the U.S. Supreme Court will quickly rule in our favor and finally put an end to these unAmerican lawsuits,” Trump campaign spokesperson Steven Cheung said in a statement.

Chief Justice Brian Boatright, one of the three dissenters on the seven-member court, wrote that he believes Colorado election law “was not enacted to decide whether a candidate engaged in insurrection,” and said he would have dismissed the challenge to Trump’s eligibility.

LINKS

AP: Colorado Supreme Court bans Trump from the state’s ballot under Constitution’s insurrection clause | @negativenull@startrek.website

Washington Post: Donald Trump is barred from Colorado’s 2024 primary ballot, the state Supreme Court rules | @silence7@slrpnk.net

CNBC: Colorado Supreme Court disqualifies Trump from 2024 ballot, pauses ruling to allow appeal | @return2ozma

NBC News: Colorado Supreme Court kicks Donald Trump off the state's 2024 ballot for violating the U.S. Constitution. | 18-24-61-B-17-17-4

CNN: Colorado Supreme Court removes Trump from 2024 ballot | A Phlaming Phoenix

CNN:Colorado Supreme Court removes Trump from 2024 ballot based on 14th Amendment’s ‘insurrectionist ban’ | @Boddhisatva

New York Times: Trump Is Disqualified From the 2024 Ballot, Colorado Supreme Court Rules | @silence7@slrpnk.net

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[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

If other states follow, this could prevent America from becoming the Fourth Reich under a second Trump term. But it would also:

  1. Build resentment towards the Democrats.
  2. Ensure that DeSantis wins the presidency, and he'd realise that you could swing your iron fist around aggressively.
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Ensure that DeSantis wins the presidency

There is no chance Bobblehead Puddingfingers wins the presidency.

[-] Bennettiquette@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

six months ago i was worried. now he’s just the punchline.

[-] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

The whole primary is the punchline. It's either going to be Trump as the nominee, or Biden is going to sweep. R's are far too racist to nominate Vivek, and even if everyone else in the primary died I have a feeling they'd just write in Tucker or something. That leaves Haley, who is trying to appeal to a Republican base that hasn't existed for 15-20 years, and DeSantis, who is trying to run as the "is Pepsi okay?" to Trump's Coke, while he also seems to be simultaneously mumbling "dude Coke is so much better." The only way this makes any sense for him is if he thinks that Trump is likely to be in jail or barred from running, because that's the only way he's getting the nomination.

I kinda wish that weren't the case. If it were Biden v DeSantis, Biden sweeps. DeSantis is far too extreme for dems and probably even slightly center/slightly left of center, his whole campaign seems to be designed as if he just has a cuck fetish. And the one thing that I think everyone can all agree on is that as soon as he opens his mouth, you just get the overwhelming urge to shove him in a locker. I also think that almost no one likes Trump's policies, they just like him and it's pure cult of personality (and the way they vote seems to confirm that; Trump-like candidates lose, it's only Trump that has any traction) and DeSantis obviously does not have that. And he'd be running against an incumbent, which is already an uphill battle.

[-] Bennettiquette@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

love your come/pepsi metaphor. i think it was a piece in the atlantic not too long ago comparing desantis to sweet-n-low and trump to high-fructose corn syrup. but that was describing him at his peak. if memory serves that was just before one of his staffers was publicly fired as the fall guy for a neonazi pro-desantis clip that went viral. right around the puddingfingers incident but before he decided to single-handed bring down disney. he has fallen so far so fast.

it will be interesting to see how haley fares in this. i have some of those “old republicans” in my family who hope haley will wind back the party’s clock pre-trump. a nice fantasy. i do wonder how large that demographic is. she is pulling in koch support so there are big players trying to move some pieces. but i certainly don’t see it actually happening.

i definitely get the sense that this is going to be a vicious and chaotic election cycle no matter how it plays out.

[-] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

Right now, Haley is polling significantly behind DeSantis, who is already significantly behind Trump. I honestly thought it was more likely that she was angling for a cabinet position or something, but the Koch money injection is interesting. That said, even with money it's a pretty uphill battle. Given that Trump is far and away the front runner, the number of old school republicans is pretty low. She's running as if she's in the general, where a more moderate approach would make a lot of sense (or maybe she's just trying to dodge creating soundbites for Biden campaign ads which DeSantis seems to have no problem with) but in the Republican primary moderate isn't going to get very far.

Even if she manages to clear the first hurdle and overtake DeSantis, she is kinda stuck with her finger's crossed that Trump is for some reason ineligible to run because he's such a clear favorite. It would be like going into a room of Swifties and trying to explain why you're better than Taylor. Spoilers, it doesn't matter, and the corpse you leave behind is going to look like something out of a horror show.

[-] melodious_thunk@lemm.ee 13 points 6 months ago

On your #1, i feel like that train has kind of sailed already.

#2 is not obvious. You could definitely argue that desantis would win the gop primary. But it's no mean feat to unseat an incumbent president.

[-] Defaultusername92@mtgzone.com 1 points 6 months ago

I don’t know if that is as true any more. The president used to have a platform that could easily reach all Americans, especially after radio and TV. That gave him a pretty good advantage. But now with Twitter and Facebook, as well as having access to huge networks for coverage across the nation, I’m not sure the challenger is at a disadvantage anymore when it comes to reaching the American people.

[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

You underestimate just how disliked Biden is.

[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Actually, I think DeSantis has the lowest chance overall if Trump drops out or is forced out. I think the base is starting to coalesce around Nikki Haley, and I think even Ramaswami and Christie have a slightly better (read: slightly less than zero) chance than DeSantis.

At this point, I "prefer" Haley as I think she's the least bad option available.

[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It would be so weird if the GOP elected a first generation Indian American, either Haley or Ramaswami. How do they deal with all that cognitive dissonance?

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 months ago

By not admitting to be racists and talking about "the bad ones"

[-] Stern@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I'm inclined to think Ramaswami wouldn't get the votes the others would... little too much melanin for the average Trump fanboy.

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

If you still think DeSantis has any chance, you haven't been paying attention for a while.

[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

He's a distant second... To Trump.

[-] Uglyhead@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Saving this comment.

See you in 2024. Cheers.

Not even DeSantis likes DeSantis so I'm really banking on people going to vote as is the only defense mechanism against gerrymandering

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