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[–] coffeetest@beehaw.org 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you disagree with me, just imagine how this precedent could be used by the right against a left-leaning candidate. If democracy is limited without a conviction of insurrection, you’ll see this applied to candidates on very shaky grounds.

I disagree with the notion that, if we do it, it gives them permission to do it too. The GOP clown car will do anything, they do not need permission or any excuses or anything. For example, the Biden impeachment... zero evidence, no specific crime identified. Or say when you are being nominated to the SC you are asked if you will respect precedent i.e. Roe... and guess what, nope. Or creating a rule that no one can nominate a SC Justice too soon before an election. And they followed their own rule, um, nope. Or the respect they pay to the principle of a peaceful transfer of power.

[–] JillyB@beehaw.org 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

the Biden impeachment... zero evidence, no specific crime identified.

Biden has not been impeached. There is an upcoming inquiry which is tasked with investigating Biden's potential business dealings with foreign nations. The purpose is to gather evidence and identify crime if appropriate. Hot take: if there is evidence of a crime, he should be impeached. I think the inquiry is largely political but if they do find evidence of a crime, it should be publicly known.

Overall, I don't think we should be fighting fire with fire. Then we're just sinking to their level. If my political opponent is doing illegal things, let them stand trial. Trump has a ton of indictments meant to bring about justice. I just think the legal process is too slow for the left to feel satisfied right now. Give it time.

[–] coffeetest@beehaw.org 1 points 8 months ago

impeached

I am well aware of the impeachment inquiry. And my point, they are not following precedent. Just another example of many. They don't need someone to give them permission.

If you disagree with me, just imagine how this precedent could be used by the right against a left-leaning candidate. If democracy is limited without a conviction of insurrection, you’ll see this applied to candidates on very shaky grounds.

Well if they can get a judge to go along with it, they can do that and they don't need any precedent to do so. The former prez had how many lawsuits attempting to overturn the election and what evidence... oh that's right, none, nothing but lies.

In this case, an initial suit was brought. The judge wrote an extensive judgement saying that it is clear he was involved in insurrection and the only thing they were not sure of it is the president is an officer of the US. (really?). And then a lawyer repressing the former prez got up and said interesting things like "we're just making this up as we go" and "It would be fine if Obama ran for a 3rd term."

We have a 14th amendment and for just the purpose it is being used now. But we're not going to even try to use it because we are scared the GOP wont play fair next time? They never play fair, they can't even distinguish truth from their deranged fantasies or they willfully ignore it. Anyway, just the way I see it. I am sure Comer and Jordan will bring up that smoking gun evidence against Biden any day now just like the former prez did in all of those lawsuits he brought.