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Google search failed to even find a hollywood movie, even after 1 hour of attempts. I don't really care about the movie, but I am terrified by the prospect that google now ceased to function on this basic level. Why is this happening?

I understand the explanations of seo and other stuff like spam content. But why are there NO relevant results at all.

I wouldn't mind having to start wading through results at page 2 or even 10 but now it utterly fails to find even the most basic things.

Things you found on the first attempt even just a year ago. Now they are effectively hidden.

To me functionally the entire internet has now vanished. I cannot access anything that I am searching for. Might as well not exist at all.

Has anybody found a way around this?

Is this on purpose? Is this an attack on the free internet, herding people to just the top 5 sites like facebook, youtube, tiktok, and so forth?

Are there search engines that still work?

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[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 127 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

The last part of your comment sounds like an ad straight out of those overlong YT videos.

[–] FlatFootFox@lemmy.world 64 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Have Brands™ started astroturfing Lemmy yet?

I’m not completely sold on Kagi yet. I’m still in the trial period right now. But paid services can be a tough sell online. I figured I’d be up front about the costs rather than wait for the inevitable “$10 a month for search!?” comment.

[–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

I haven’t seen any obvious astroturfing yet, but your last paragraph really did have the vibe of a smoothly transitioned paid promotion. Not saying it was, but even the comments that you haven’t fully bought into it made it feel even more like one of the more honest paid promotions.

[–] berkeleyblue@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I read this same sentiment two days ago; Google doesn’t work for me.

Not sure what they are on about. I can find things I‘m looking for on Google in under a Minute 9 out of 10 times and I tend to use it quite heavily tbh…

[–] 9bananas@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

if you're searching for something general, like, i dunno "dishwasher cleaner" or something, it spits out usable results.

but as soon as a query becomes technical in nature, like troubleshooting IT problems, it's a straight up nightmare.

the reason it's so bad at searching for anything very specific is their attempt to "figure out what you really mean":

and google does that by... ignoring what you typed and changing your search prompt behind the scenes without telling you and without any options to change it.

and putting it in quotes rarely improves searches anymore, only spits out more garbage.

point is: google is basically dead for any specific searches and only really works for searches that amount to "i want to buy thing. show me thing."

[–] diannetea@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I had this weird hardware issue with my desktop and I could not find results for it on Google about a year ago, and I had searched for it a bunch of times previously as well and couldn't find anything relevant. My boyfriend searched for it on Google on his computer and found a result with the information we needed and i immediately fixed it.

Guessing my "custom" results were poisoned by something at some time, but it prevented me from finding the answer I needed, and I didn't think to log out at the time.

Super done with Google tbh

[–] bravemonkey@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

I signed up for Kagi after the trial. I'm very subscription adverse, but this one was something I don't mind paying for.

[–] Steve@communick.news 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

It's great that DDG doesn't track a users searches. It really is.
But at the end of the day, it's still just another ad platform profiting off of companies trying to sell you things.
And here you are complaining it seems like an ad, when someone's explaining an alternative ad-free search.
Just think about that for a moment.

[–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Also, if we're being frank, DDG's results are damn near useless half the time.

It's like the opposite end of the SEO spectrum. Whereas Google just anchors onto certain keywords to regurgitate the same 4 listacles, DDG just sees your input for "my lawnmower won't start" and responds with "lawnmower huh? I dunno here's the history of John Deere or some shit, fuck off".

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I tried using DDG but had even worse results than Google is having right now. I wish it was good, but my multi month trial of it was not impressive.

It was especially bad for programming. At least Google still finds what I need for that

[–] _pete_@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hard disagree with that, DDG searches are accurate about 90% of the time that I use it (which as a web dev is quite a lot) if they aren’t hitting Google with the same term rarely wields any better results.

[–] governorkeagan@lemdro.id 3 points 10 months ago

I've had the same experience as you. The vast majority of the time, I can get the results that I want.

[–] ahornsirup@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago

It also doesn't allow you to actually exclude keywords. Which can be utterly infuriating if you're looking for a specific entry in a franchise or a lesser used definition of something.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's just handing your search off to Bing, and Microsoft just does what it does.

[–] Steve@communick.news 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

DDG pays Bing to use their API. DDG makes money by placing ads in the results. They do it kind of circularly using Microsoft's ad system, but they are separate.