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By lobbying the government. It happens a lot. For my example you have a list of gas boiler phase outs here and for fossil fuel cars here. Obviously this is far from easy, but a combination of lobbying, electing the right politicans and protests has worked. You can easily look up what exactly they had to do, to get it done, if you care.
Public health care as I said. That way you are not negotiating alone against big pharma, but form a monoploy in a given country, which is able to reduce costs a lot. To be fair most countries already have it, so it is mostly adapting it to work. Here is a little map of who already has it(the green ones):
For the most part you just go to the public hearings and calmly and nicely agrue your case. For the most part nobody cars, so you might be alone in them. As it is also on a local level, big fossil fuel often does not even turn up. You have to be aware that the project you argue to be better is not going to be improved much unless you are lucky. It is about the next one, where the planners actually start to incorporate your sugestions and propably badly. Then you turn up again and suggest something better. It takes a long time, but it has been done in a lot of different places.
Thanks has to be enough. Seriously we have a capitalist system and that is a good way of stopping the bleeding.
Anyway the solutions are out in the world. Not just the technology, but also for the most part the systems we need to implement them on scale. It is just a matter to spread them.
So to summarize your suggestions are:
Again, none of those answer the question. Those are all "do nothing and trust those with power and authority to do the right thing." It's the definition of useless liberalism and displays quite the level of privilege and disconnect from reality.
You can easily look up how completely ineffective those solutions are, if you care. Did you even read the article this comment thread is posted under?
No, trusting the authorities to do the right thing, would be sitting at home and doing absolutly nothing.
Right, which is why I'm saying that your 'solution' is nothing. It boils down to: "Lobby!(1) Then go home(2), sit and wait(3)"
Great that we agree that lobbying works. Otherwise you would not go home and sit around and just wait. With a fixed problem however that is perfectly fine.
Great, my work is done. I've done a lobby and convinced you that Lobbying doesn't actually change anything and that you'll have to actually do something. And now I can sleep easy knowing that you'll fix it all for me!