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[–] squiblet@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’d love for it to be a different candidate than Biden. There’s no guarantee whoever else they come up with would be better on this issue though. It’s a sizable group but a minority of D politicians who oppose the current policy of giving Israel weapons.

Still though, another Trump admin would be an unprecedented complete clusterfuck of a disaster, so I don’t really care whether if it’s Biden or Jiminy Cricket, just not that insufferable deranged criminal again.

Even if not Trump, republicans have fallen over themselves to express the most support of the current government of Israel and their policies. At this point non Trump R candidates leading are Haley and DeSantis, who would hardly say “you know, we need to pressure Israel to stop and we’re increasing humanitarian programs in Gaza”.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I understand that, but the point I'm trying to make is that the "Vote for Biden if you don't want Trump!" argument is bad, and if you really want to convince people to vote for Biden, why not appeal to the good things he's done and could do, rather than just a fear of the bad things a Republican administration would do? We're all tired of hearing 'You have to vote for bad if you don't want worse!'. It worked in 2020 because everyone was reeling from the Trump administration already, but it's been 4 years, it's not as fresh in everyone's mind, and I really don't think it's going to be as effective this year. Even with it being fresh in everyone's mind, it was still a scarily close race.

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago

I feel like Biden has put together a competent administration and has accomplished some positive things for people. They could do better at messaging about that.

However, my comments are based on this one issue which other people brought up, not me. It’s simply a fact that any Republican admin would be worse about war and human rights, because they always have been.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

“Vote for Biden if you don’t want Trump!”

I just gave you a few examples of why that's a false dilemma.

It's only bad if you don't understand Duvinger's Law or how the DNC's bylaws work.

Voting is a chess move, not a love letter. The sooner you learn that, the happier you will be.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 5 points 8 months ago

I think you're taking my posts out of context. They're direct replies to someone making the argument, 'Vote for Biden because otherwise you get Trump!', and I'm pointing out that the argument is bad, then you're replying to me telling me the argument is bad. Yes, I understand that - that's why I posted the reply.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Voting is a chess move, not a love letter.

Chess is a representation of a monarchy in which everyone but the king is ultimately expendable.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Completely irrelevant.

Chess is a logic game.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Say the pawns that don't think they're expendable.