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“A Breach of Yemeni Sovereignty”: Biden Becomes Fourth U.S. President to Bomb Yemen
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Israel: bombs and invades Palestine
Palestine fighting back is wrong.Yemen: bombs ships serving Israel
America fighting back is... right?I feel bad for American voters. The last time military action was taken without congressional approval it led to a 20 year war resulting in a million dead Iraqis and the Taliban government back in power in Afghanistan (among other completely preventable atrocities, like this).
The hypnotism of American exceptionalism is requiring an almost lethal dose of ignorance to continue to work.
Edit: Wrong. Congress approved military action against Afghanistan and Iraq. They were lied to by the Bush administration but they did in fact approve both.
Wrong. Congress approved military action against Afghanistan and Iraq. They were lied to by the Bush administration but they did in fact approve both.
That's right, thanks for correcting me.
Two USN sailors reportedly went "missing" off the coast of Somalia (which, coincidentally, is also off the coast of Yemen).
Only ships that are zionist-owned and/or bound for Israel are targeted, Russian and Chinese ships for example are going through normally.
No, they have gotten 2 Russian ships so far and zero Israeli ones.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-navy-destroyer-and-multiple-commercial-ships-attacked-in-the-red-sea-pentagon-says
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/yemens-houthi-rebels-hijack-israeli-linked-ship-in-the-red-sea-take-crew-hostage
Just from a quick search. Where did you get your info from? Or did you think that all Barbados flagged ships are owned by people that live full time in Barbados?
So the ships aren't linked to Israel but companies that own the ships have Israeli citizens somewhere in their higher structure? Or are in some nebulous and unspecified way linked to Israeli citizens? Like neither of those sources even tried to claim the ships even did business in Israel.
What's next? Shaking hands with a Israeli will get you attacked by pirates?
Instead of using all the logical fallacies you do to avoid learning something that violates your bias, just be intellectualy honest and say "I believe Israel is above the law and they need to be protected at all costs. No other lives are as valuable as Israeli lives" cuz bruh, Yemen attacking a ship owned by the firm of Israel's richest person is a long shot from
and you know this. Quit playing yourself. Who are you fighting for, anyway?
If you read your own source that ship wasn't owned by that Israeli guy, it's affiliated with him somehow according to the houthies but I can't find any connection to the guy when looking around online.
The first source just straight up said it wasn't an Israeli ship but a British one but one officer was Israeli.
I'm not sure what fallacies you are talking about but I think Israel should absolutely be sanctioned and pressured however possible to stop their genocide. The houthies are only doing piracy on random ship and doing nothing to stop Israel, just using the distraction to justify piracy.
The "shaking hands with an Israeli" thing is called reductio ad absurdum.
I totally agree that Israel should get the same level on sanctions as Russia did after invading Ukraine.
What I think you and a lot of other commenters are unaware of is how convoluted ship ownership is, for tax avoidance purposes. It seems like many people assume that Israeli ships are the ones with Israeli flags and for some reason Bahamas people have a shit ton of ships, probably because there's a lot of water around there, right? This ignorance fuels the acceptance of the narrative that Houthis are rebel scum or pirates that are so dumb they keep attacking the wrong ships, but the truth actually speaks to their sophistication and intent.
Plus so many Israelis are dual citizens, like Dan David Ungar from the article I linked, who is also a British citizen and lives in Israel and is the son of the richest man is Israel, so saying "owned by a British citizen" is not untrue but it is a disingenuous service to the truth.
Let's not fall for the narrative.
Oh yea, and the "nebulous link to Israelis" is called argument from incredulity.
Even if he owns that ship and no one else does it's still a random ship, if the houthies were actually trying to blockade Israel this would be very different. So far they have attacked 2 Russian oil tankers with no connection to Israel, that alone is enough to see they arent targeting their attacks in any way and it's just piracy with using the troubles inflicted on the Palestinians as a shield. It's literally genocide profiteering.
I hadn't heard of the Russian tanker thing, thanks. This must be what you're talking about:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/houthis-mistakenly-target-tanker-carrying-russian-oil-ambrey-report-2024-01-12/
and it says that
So maybe it was the same situation as the other UK-affiliated ship we were talking about, not sure. I still don't understand how you don't equate Houthi action to American sanctions on Russian oligarch ships in the hopes that they convince Putin to stop his war in Ukraine.
Because they haven't yet targeted a ship supplying Israel. They are raiding ships that are vulnerable and not much else by the look of these attacks, most non-military ships are coming from Saudi Arabia and most are heading to India, not a single one coming or going to Israel.
Hahaha omfg Palestine invades Israel read history bro
If you're going to make a low-effort comment asking someone to read, at least make an effort to cite something for them to read.
My take on it:
Powerful nations almost inevitably sponsor terrorist groups to be a thorn in the side for other nations. These terrorists target civilians to ensure a disproportionate response. There is no end to these conflicts because the primary fighters have no desire to negotiate and are willing to sacrifice any civilians around them as meat shields.
The U.S. does it (Taliban v1, many coups). Israel does it (Hamas). Iran does it (Hamas, Hezbolla and Yemen). Russia does it (Taliban v2, many coups).
Can’t remember hearing about China or India doing it though? But they care about a different part of the world and so I’m not sure I hear about it as much in western media.
China supports and backs the MNDAA, which is nominally a terrorist organization but really (like Hamas, Hezbollah, and Ansarallah) probably does a better job of governance than the Myanmar government.
Yes, and even within a country there are often various factions taking action at the same time but with different aims, like when American president JFK wouldn't send reinforcements for the Bay of Pigs invasion and the coup was foiled.
Yemen hasn't gotten a single Israeli ship so far...
The reason foreigners are forced to think about the burger empire is because it's causing constant suffering for the rest of the world. US needs to be lanced like a boil, so that the rest of humanity can finally breathe a sigh of relief.
Don't you think that would be like "meet the new boss, same as the old boss"? Usually when terrorists are taken out violently they are replaced by even more extreme terrorists.
How do you think it would actually play out if the burger empire vanished?
I think we're already seeing how it's playing out. We're moving towards a multipolar world that's no longer going to be dominated by a single power. Your analogy doesn't really make sense on a geopolitical level either. For example, the one power that can match the US today is China, and China hasn't been to war since the 70s, it's lifted over 800 million people out of poverty, and managed to establish mutually beneficial relationships with countries all across the world. The path of oppression and domination that US chose isn't the only way of human relations. US behaves the way it does because it is a fascist state, and fascism must be defeated for humanity to flourish.
You're right their entire world revolves around how cool and edgy you are 😎
You keep using that word, but I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Who is arguing that Israel fighting back is wrong? Almost everyone recognizes that Israel has the right to self defense, but most people who think that also believes their response is at least disproportionate.
Most of the world thinks that. They would also take issue with you characterizing what Israel is doing as "fighting back" and "self defense". Self-defense is when you steal land, ethnically cleanse the inhabitants, force them into a small area, then besiege them there for decades, and then blow the whole place up. Because some of them dared take up arms and broke out. You know, self defense!
Literally in the next sentence I make it obvious I don't believe this is the case. And this is upvoted. Amazing how irrational people can be.
Self defense he says lmao.
Are you arguing that they weren't attacked? And you're laughing at me. Lmao
The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto also attacked those poor Nazis right