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Inspired by recent discussions, I think Hexbear has a lot of good information about socialism but I wonder if the relentless defense of AES on Hexbear means shooting ourselves in the foot, since many potential leftists have been thoroughly primed to react negatively to AES states?

We’re not getting our messages out when progressive instances have already pre-emptively blocked us and calling us “tankies”.

People are being turned away without even taking the opportunity to read some of the stuff here, because they already have a pre-conceived notion about Hexbear being filled with “crazy tankies who defend totalitarianism”.

I know there have been a lot of propaganda and fabrication being perpetuated about socialist countries, and it feels “right” to defend them against these false accusations, but I wonder if this is doing more harm than good for the present day nascent socialist movement, at least in the Western countries?

We can remain on the current course and feel indignant about the tankie accusations, but will forever remain as a niche “tankie” community.

Or, we can open ourselves up, by toning down the admiration for the socialist states so we are not being treated as hostile by the other instances, and thus opening up the opportunities to have productive interactions with users (and potential leftists) from other instances?

(I do have my own position, you probably know which one it is, but I’m willing to hear from others and reevaluate my own opinions if needed).

EDIT: Thanks to everyone who responded. All points are well taken. Thank you.

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[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

state dept-approved lens

I could give two shits what the state department thinks about a particular criticism. I care if it's a valid criticism of actual problems, and treated proportionately to how important it actually is.

[–] voight@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'd be honored to be among the vetted members of the US media class in order to get people like Grimes to read the Communist Manifesto.

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is one of those 30% times.

[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's saying you espouse a neutered concept of socialism that doesn't present any danger to the current power structure. Thus, the current media apparatus would be happy to echo your harmless ideas

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Right, which is why you hear them being echoed on MSNBC and CNN constantly.

[–] oregoncom@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bernie Sanders style social-imperialism is already the mainstream for Zoomers. If u want that just go to reddit.

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

We were on reddit, we got banned, and then we made this.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep, I see your dogshit ideas all the time among radlibs like AOC and NJR. Nobody minds them, they are harmless critters

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah if you could give me a single example of a position AOC and I have in common that would be go a long way into convincing me you're not just making stuff up.

[–] voight@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My specific infallible brand of social democracy has never been tried

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not a social democrat chap.

[–] voight@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I stopped doing the like reddit debate shit just vibes this morning. I no longer respond to legalistic forum shit. Get ur vitamins in you get some zinc some D hella C, potassium, b12 eat ur spinach drink some coffee do some bodyweight exercises get ur vaxx up get those stacks up

[–] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

It's just cardio for me, I'm really into the emaciated Victorian waif look.