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[–] duderium@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

National parks are not the commons though. They have been stolen from indigenous people, and indigenous people are not really allowed to do their thing there.

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 40 points 8 months ago

Everything in the US is a hate crime in its implementation. There's no way around that. But natural preserves would still have to exist under communism. Under the control of the local tribal nations violating the territory of the tribal commons meant a band of warriors killing the cracker doing it, and I'm fine with that too if we hand over control of those lands tomorrow. That land just has to exist intact no matter who governs it under any system because you drink the water and breathe the air it's supplying. Any damage to those ecosystems and everyone suffers, greater biodiversity and everyone benefits. Some of those parks are the historical ruins of those tribes' ancestral tribes, some aren't even accessible to most tourists so they're mostly preserved for the subsistence usage of the local tribes, some are the watershed for massive chunks of the country that would otherwise go to war with each other if there wasn't someone funded to manage the ecosystem generating that water.

[–] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago

Even without being stolen land, national parks are not the commons in function. One of the points of the commons and why it was destroyed was that it could be lived on, its resources used, and its game hunted by the commoners. You can't do that in a national park.