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Stop would be ordering Israel to not continue their war. This is more of a "feel free to continue, but behave yourself" order.
Yeah pretty much. This is one reason I thought it was a bad idea to try to base the ICJ case on "genocide," which invites quibbles about whether particular facts constitute genocide. I thought there was a much stronger case to be made highlighting particular factual war crimes which are pretty tough to factually dispute or argue aren't war crimes.
(Side note, everyone yelled at me when I did that as if it constituted somehow defending Israel. Long story short lemmy.ml isn't full of a lot of nuanced thinking on the issue.)
I'm most interested in these specific orders:
I wouldn't be surprised if Nethanyahu, Ben-Gvir, and Smotrich each violate #3 with impunity before the end of the day, although this could inspire switching to dog-whistles and Soprano-style doublespeak which are far more acceptable to most of the West. #4, if it has any effect, will be the difference between life and death in many cases. I'm not hugely optimistic about Israel's immediate reaction to this ruling, but if this has a significant effect on their economy they could abandon this course just like they abandoned their partnership with Apartheid South Africa when the international community turned on them.
Agreed. Like I was saying I wish #3 said "stop killing civilians" and "stop stealing homes." That might be easy or hard to enforce when they inevitably ignore it, but it's a lot harder to doublespeak their way out of.