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This week, Republican governors across the country escalated their conflict with the Biden administration over the southern border by invoking the same legal theory that slave states wielded to justify secession before the Civil War.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, joined by 25 other GOP governors, now argues that the Biden administration has violated the federal government’s “compact” with the states—an abdication that justifies state usurpation of federal authority at the border.

This language embraces the Confederacy’s conception of the Constitution as a mere compact that states may exit when they feel it has been broken. It’s dangerous rhetoric that transcends partisan grandstanding. And as before, it’s being used to legitimize both nullification and dehumanization.

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[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 23 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Speeding towards a 21st century version of American civil war doesn't seem the smartest thing to do. 🙄

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 80 points 10 months ago (2 children)

As opposed to a 21st century version of the Jim Crow century? Ceding lawful Federal authority to ultraconservative states is nothing less than a cession of the rights of US society to ultraconservative cretins, and is notoriously hard to reverse.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're right. The GOP is bonkers at this point.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. My thinking is that a forceful response by the US government will end up more "Ruby Bridges" than "Sherman's March", but we also must be ready for the latter if the GOP proves insane enough to escalate. I think it was Sherman who once wrote that the wages of tolerating secession would be eternal war, as local powers squabble and quarrel and attempt to oppress one another, and the central government becomes powerless and eventually withers away - or becomes authoritarian as people (foolishly) begin to yearn for a 'strong man' to restore order.

[–] growsomethinggood@reddthat.com 5 points 10 months ago

The thing is, Republicans here don't actually want to escalate, or at least the Republican politicians. They want to scream loudly that whatever Biden does is hurting them, their constituents, and the country, whether it's "weak" inaction or authoritarian action. It is an election year after all.

Will the radicalized, bloodthirsty Republican population escalate though? That's maybe more likely. I'd be more concerned for violence as a minority in these states than as the National Guard.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

The GOP has been blackmailing and gaslighting the public with callbacks to Puritanical values for decades, but now their true bigotry is showing and they should be dismissed for the hypocrites they are.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Civil War in the U.S. is highly unlikely in the current economy. Firstly because big business would never allow that kind of hit to the stock market, but also because you're not going to get people leaving their families and going to the front lines when everyone is living paycheck-to-paycheck without a draft and good luck with trying to institute a draft.

[–] zigmus64@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Also… ya know, a big mismatch in technology. Sure a lot of folks have ARs and shit, some folks have Barret .50 cal sniper rifles. None of them have a fucking AH-64E Apache.

[–] sharkwellington@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You need an F-15, not an AR-15.

[–] RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

What about an F-150? There's plenty of those and last time I checked 150 is more than 15.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The usual comeback is "well, look at where the bases are!"

I don't think it's a coincidence they are located in the south.

[–] zigmus64@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dude, there’s military bases all over the country…

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ok so, re-reading my comment from 9 hours ago, I can honestly say I don't know what my train of thought was.

[–] zigmus64@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

No worries dude… I know I’ve been exactly in that spot

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

but also because you’re not going to get people leaving their families and going to the front lines when everyone is living paycheck-to-paycheck without a draft and good luck with trying to institute a draft.

Sure you are. One of the first things every civil war starts out doing is paying soldiery. What better way to lure those living paycheck-to-paycheck than offering them a paycheck AND a cause?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Pay them with what? What money do you think Texas has?

Texas is in the top five states that receive federal aid.

And before you say oil, how are they going to export it with the US Navy blockading them? They don't have the ships to go up against the US Navy.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

Plenty of businessmen who are absolute fucking loons. Just look at the Mypillow guy. Same way the American Revolution got started, and the US Civil War. Rich folk loan the rebel government money either out of idealism or as a bet on the success on the rebels.

My point isn't that it's sustainable. My point is that it's very possible to lure people who are living paycheck-to-paycheck to get involved in a war at the outset. The issue comes if the war drags on, and the rebel government starts to have trouble paying wages.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That's really just a measure of population. Texas is one of the few red "giver" states

ETA: To answer your question, they could do the same as last time. They would issue confederate promissory notes, which would only have worth if they win. Probably at inflated numbers to appeal to greed and bypass the obvious problems with that idea

[–] Machinist3359@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

Probably some confedcoin crypto sham this time around!

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Plus they would have to put down their iphones to go fight and give up their gaming.

[–] pacmondo@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago

Nah, my steam deck comes with me to the front

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 10 points 10 months ago

They're not smart people.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah it does, time to fight and get it over with.

Start new on the other side.