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I first reevaluated my perception of him (shall we say) after that AWFUL “let’s try Linux” series, and it didn’t exactly get better from there.
The Microsoft ball gargling is ridiculous on its own
The Linux series was one of the best, because it showed what would happen if someone who didn’t know what they were doing tried to move to Linux. Linux shills have been preaching “it’s the year of the Linux desktop” forever now, but since it’s so different from windows and macOS there’s a massive learning curve that only shows up once you’ve switched.
I would bet 8/10 people who have used windows/macOS for 30+ years would have many of the same problems as Linus did. I know I’ve made many of the same mistakes that were made by Linus/Luke in that series, including accidentally nuking my DE.
Linux sucks as a desktop if you aren’t already familiar with Linux from the terminal. There’s a few edge cases, but for the most part it’s not a good experience if you do anything more than web browsing.
I’m no Linus shill, though I do enjoy their content for the most part. He’s not a tech god like people make him out to be, he’s just a slightly above average tech nerd who’s a good presenter. And that’s the audience that the Linux shills are trying to push the OS onto.
I think what you're saying is that Linux desktop is going to be a bad experience if you come in with your expectations from macos or windows. In neither of those can you "accidentally" uninstall your de because you're not reading terminal prompt.
This kinds of problems are for people who think they know what they're doing
Tech doesn't get wider adoption if you expect every user to know what they're doing. And without wider adoption, devs don't get on board and apps don't get made. Lowering the learning curve improves the experience for everybody, especially with linux where we can have different distributions with different target audiences.
I agree, but we're not there yet. As of now, you'll need to at least try to read what you're approving in terminal
But to avoid this you could run a VM and restore to a snapshot but that's not really switching to Linux. Windows/Mac users should generally not just jump into Linux but transition to it.
I'm genuinely curious how saying that Linux GUI desktop has issues equates to gargling Microsoft's balls?
Tribalism I'm guessing is why it's being said
I liked him when he was more authentic. Back when they were filming out of a house, rather than some compound, just doing silly shit like that whole office water cooling.
Now it's all about him blowing tons of cash on his house, or his studio, or just shilling/shitting on everything.
By making a video of it it becomes a deductible business expense. Use backyard pool for water-cooling video? Free pool.
His let's try Linux series was amazing. Showing how dogshit it really is when you get out of the circlejerk.
For those that haven't seen it: His Pop-OS desktop environment got un-installed by Apt when he tried to install Steam.
So many people forget that while they understand how to use a Linux terminal and how Linux on a high level works, not everyone does. Plus, learning all of that takes time, effort, and tenacity, which not everyone is willing to do. Linus's whole conclusion was that as long as that learning curve exists and as long as it's that easy to shoot yourself in the foot, Linux desktop just isn't viable for a lot of people.
But Linus has done a lot of public fuck ups therefore everything he says must be inherently wrong.
I'm an absolute mouth breathing imbecile, with no IT/SysAdmin/Otherwise technical background or knowledge outside of what I gained by just being a typical windows user.
I cold turkey switched to linux with relatively few issues with nothing but a weekend of sporadic research done beforehand. Learning curve for everyday shit hasnt been that deep or curvy.
Its not 1997. Linux is not that hard to use, even for gaming. Especially with some modern distros built specifically for the task (like Nobara)
No, its not for everyone, but its not this incomprehensibly obtuse and mystical monstrosity that people try to constantly paint it as, 30 years ago maybe, but not anymore. as long as you can follow basic instructions and have a modicum of common sense (Which is asking a lot from the average person, I know..)
Most people are not interested in tech. To them, doing any amount of research about computers will be a chore and something they will try to avoid. They don't care about the linux philosophy, or open source, and just want a computer that works for them as quickly as possible. So naturally they use Mac or Windows like all of their friends.
I dont give a shit about my OS.
I didnt switch cause I saw the blessed light of open source software or anything like that.
I switched cause I fucking hated Windows 10, and absolutely fucking loathe windows 11 and the direction they are taking their operating systems. and my choice was to take Windows 10/11, or to go Linux... and I went Linux.
So you can say I switched under duress
Most people don't care about their operating system enough to switch.
They don't care about their OS until something happens that makes them care. *
Linux is free if you don't value your time.
I spend far more time dealing with issues in Windows than I do Manjaro. I only boot my windows partition when I absolutely have to
How many years have you been using Linux?
Also relevant:
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/6754380
Fewer years than I've been using windows. 20 years of Linux, 25 years of Windows. I personally think the stigma that Linux has is due to the past. I would agree that it was difficult at points in the past.
The thing is that your 20 years greatly skews your perspective on what easy is compared to someone who has never used it. And I agree, it's never been better, but for a lot of people, it just isn't there yet.
My main issue with it is that it's so fractured, it's greatest strength is also it's greatest weakness OSS often lacks standardisation and Linux is a victim of that.
Its slowly getting there, I mean I think it's awesome that SystemD is used by so many distros, it's some commonality between them all.
But then you get Ubuntu trying to be smart and using dash, then it breaks scripts and I want to scream. So there are those actively making it worse, lol.
Fuck, I made a hackintosh and windows was still more maintenance intensive if you're the type that doesn't like persistent problems. Most windows users just close error windows until something completely breaks and act dumb when I have to fix their shit. One time, Windows 10 auto update broke and I have to reinstall from scratch because none of the fixes worked. I spent about 10 times longer doing trouble shooting then I would have just doing a clean reinstall.
Yup, and I've spent hours troubleshooting dumb fucking issues on Linux servers that often end up with me just blasting it away and starting again because the further I get into it, the more shit I find broken.
Linux is stable and repeatable, that's why it's great for servers. But I've wasted way too many hours of my life troubleshooting dumb problems that shouldn't even be problems and often I just say fuck it and rebuild it. I don't want to do that on my desktop thanks. Especially because sometimes I do random mindless shit. Look how Linus uninstalled his UI because he didn't know any better. The last time I uninstalled the entire UI on windows was when converting a Server 2012 machine to server core.
But I think the bottom line is, let people use what they want.
My friend only uses arch and there's a few games we want to play together but it doesn't work on Linux, there's also plenty of times we have to wait while he's troubleshooting shit when we want to play games.
He's an SRE with about 22 years of experience. It's not even a skill issue.
We often jokingly say "have you tried using windows?" or "this wouldn't happen on windows" and dumb shit like that. But he uses Arch and wr all accept that and that there are some issues and the things said are in jest. He sometimes hits us with the same shit. But overall we respect that we want different things from our PCs and I do enough of this shit at work for me to want to do anything at home besides click on some UI shit and things just work.
Its okay to be different and it's okay if you use Linux and I use windows, bashing on about how bad it is isn't winning any friends or favor and the general toxicity with this shit puts a lot of people off of even trying Linux.
This is exactly what I did with windows (mostly 98 and XP) when I had a problem. Troubleshooting and fixing always took longer than just nuking and reinstalling. So I kept all my data on a separate partition/drive, with backups of bookmarks/emails/etc, so I could quickly and easily restore back to where I was.
Windows 7 was the bomb though, So fucking stable and issue free. Think I only had to nuke due to problems twice in the whole time I ran it, every other install was due to hardware failures/migrations. Such a good OS.
It really was. I like Win10 too, but not as much
Step 1: open "pop shop" in the task bar
Step 2: search for "Steam"
Step 3: Click download
This concludes my guide on how to download Steam on Pop!_OS.
afair they fixed and improved stuff since the video tho
That is what he did. Then when Pop Shop threw an error, he looked up other ways to install it, and ended up doing it in the terminal through apt. Though his system was not up to date, so it got messed up and he removed his DE in the process. All he needed to do was make sure to update his system after that fresh install BEFORE he started installing things.
You're right, I rewatched it for better context. Not a lot of detail on what he tried, it kind of just skipped forwards.
I also think it's funny how he talks about doing everybody from a newbies perspective while using a Threadrpper and Titan PC with XLR peripherals lol
Most conventional OS's will notify you when you need to do this.
You know why.
Do you think he'd have gotten as many eyes on the video if it went smoothly and he read what he was supposed to?
"Eyes on the video" is usually dependent on the thumbnail, not the actual content.
If anything I think it probably would have gotten more eyes if it came off as a viable alternative.
TIL any video thats ever gotten popular or viral was thanks entirely and 100% due to the thumbnail and not at all due to the content.
"100%" was not in any part of my statement but nice job rephrasing to intentionally misrepresent my statements.
Intentionally ignoring the sarcasm so you can pretend to be a victim. How original.
Agreed. It was pretty refreshing and sobering.