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‘I can’t believe we’re having this conversation’: the states pushing for 14-year-olds to serve alcohol
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 01 Aug 2023
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Sorry, why should a middle schooler be doing physical labor? This sounds like nightmare capitalism.
Sure, if you ignore all of human history it sounds like nightmare capitalism.
You mean all of human history when we had things like slavery and women as property? Yeah, we should keep doing that stuff too, right?
No, you're making up things to be angry at. Children working existed before capitalism.
And who suggested it didn't? Oh yeah. No one.
Once again, you misinterpreted. I simply restated my point.
Your point is irrelevant. We all know children working existed before capitalism. No one suggested it didn't.
That kinda implies capitalism is the cause, no? Or will you just completely ignore that and continue to misinterpret my comments.
...no? That's why the word "nightmare" is there. If it were solely being blamed on capitalism, they'd just say "that sounds like typical capitalism".
It's like the "toxic masculinity" argument all over again. No, saying "blue coat" does not mean all coats are blue.
Okay brother. If you're going to be pedantic I'll just stop here.
You call that pedantic? That's a pretty major detail to ignore, dude. Sounds to me like you just saw the word "capitalism" in a negative light and abandoned all reason. If you can't figure out how adjectives work, go back to English class.
Your argument is really "we did it before, so it's fine"? We did a ton of things before that aren't ok. Historical usage of a thing doesn't make it ok.
No. Children working existed before capitalism, you're grasping straws coming up with that conclusion of what I said.
All of human history before capitalism? That makes no sense. How could you have a nightmare form of capitalism before it even existed? Get it together, dude.
We live in capitalism. Therefore, making life worse makes this a worse version of capitalism. Get it now?
Because there is very little risk to health and safety and I don't see an issue with teens making extra money of the side. You all are just out to be angry and rage at news.
Weird, because UNICEF seems to disagree. But hey, they don't work in benefits and taxation, so what would they know about child mental and physical health?
"Roughly 160 million children were subjected to child labour at the beginning of 2020, with 9 million additional children at risk due to the impact of COVID-19. This accounts for nearly 1 in 10 children worldwide. Almost half of them are in hazardous work that directly endangers their health and development.
Children may be driven into work for various reasons. Most often, child labour occurs when families face financial challenges or uncertainty – whether due to poverty, sudden illness of a caregiver, or job loss of a primary wage earner.
The consequences are staggering. Child labour can result in extreme bodily and mental harm, and even death. It can lead to slavery and sexual or economic exploitation. And in nearly every case, it cuts children off from schooling and health care, restricting their fundamental rights."
Lmaoooooo you are comparing working in a restaurant to sex trafficking. Top notch shit 👍🤣.
Sure, just as 'top notch' as suggesting it's good for children to make bloated plutocrat corporatists richer off the sweat of their backs rather than enjoy their childhoods because "it never hurt me."
And, by the way, what exactly do you think will happen to young teenage girls tending bar? Do you think they won't be sexually harassed by drunk older men, possibly raped?
Or did you forget that this was about allowing young girls to serve alcohol to drunk adults?
Realistically I don't think you'd even notice a blip on the radar. I've found most bars are extremely productive of staff especially women. They are far more likely to be raped at home or with friends. I think this is a lot of truthiness and imaginations running wild.
Considering it's bad for adult women working in bars... https://www.cosmopolitan.com/career/a15334055/female-bartenders-sexually-harassed-at-work/
Spoken like a true man. Go ahead and Google the percentage of women who were sexually assaulted before the age of 18.
Better yet, here's a link laurenskids.org/awareness/about-faqs/facts-and-stats/
I don't care how nice or high-end your bar is, children don't belong in a bar. And it doesn't matter how protective the bar is of staff, a place where adults gather to drink alcohol is a completely inappropriate environment for children.
A 16yro with a job vs a 14 yro with a job is a HUGE difference. Those 2 years are massive in development. 14 yro's should not have a real job yet