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Let me guess: If Biden does actually reverse several generations' worth of mass-murder-enabling Israel policy, and brings about a positive change to the absolute worst thing that the US does and has been doing for the last 50 years, it'll suddenly be something else that you're incredibly upset at him about which is your reason you can't possibly support him.
No? Maybe not. How do you feel about his actions in regard to climate change?
Well the fact that he allowed record oil extraction under his watch says that he doesn't take it as seriously as he should.
I don't support Biden for a lot of reasons. One of which being I'm Canadian. Trump is worse than Biden. Does that allow me to pass your purity test? Do you have anything at all of substance to add to my comment or just fucking argumentative bullshit?
Got it. So there are two talking points which are commonly brought up to say Biden did a bad job on the climate; this is one of them. This, in contrast, is an actual summary of what he's done; among other things, it claims there's a Democratic theory that the big climate bill puts us on track for a 40% reduction in emissions by 2030. I don't know if that's accurate, but those are the terms in which I think it's sensible to analyze his actions on climate: What is the expected impact? As opposed to, what's some individual fact that is cherry-picked for maximum argumentation impact, and then repeated consistently without context (in this case, used to argue that he doesn't take it seriously when he made massive climate legislation into a priority early on in his presidency.)
Sorry, what? My comment wasn't real polite, but it's not like there wasn't a productive point to it.
I suspect your original comment of being made in bad faith. Your response to my question about the climate, which does not include detailed analysis of what's going on, but does fit lock-and-key into one of the two active talking points about "why Biden is bad for the climate," furthers that suspicion.
You're obviously not obligated to talk with me further about it. I was just curious. You're free to say whatever you want.
So you literally have nothing to add about Biden and Israel. Shocking.
Just take the L and move to some other debate pls
I started the thread. You've done nothing but try and derail. Do you have any thoughts on the structuring (illegal by the way) of arms sales to Israel or are you a troll?
I just noticed that about 8-10 upvotes dropped all at once to your comments in this exchange, and a similar number of downvotes all at once to mine. Would it offend you if I investigated in some detail where all those votes came from?
No that's sketchy as fuck and I'm thinking one of the other 2 guys think they're being funny. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about in terms of investigation though, sherlock.
A whole bunch of people with 3-week-old accounts really developed strong feelings about who's right on the issue about 25 minutes ago 🙂. Which other 2 guys do you mean; FuglyDuck and someone else?
Deceptichum potentially. I only have one account, I came during rexit.
Fascinating
I thought I had too much time on my hands lol
I get curious and invest some time into investigating these things sometimes. Seems like a better investment of the energy than playing the rabbit-season-duck-season-rabbit-season-duck-season game.
Lemme guess, Biden could go over to Netty’s for a little Palestinian-Baby bbq, and you’d still support Biden?
It’s fair to criticize Biden for supporting and enabling genocide. It’s also fair to point out that. Biden has been a senator for most of those fifty years.
It’s also fair to point out that corporate subsidies aren’t going to solve climate change or bring resiliency to what change is now unavoidable.
It’s also fair to recognize that Trump is an even greater asshole.
But it’s not fair to point to Trump and say it’s unfair to criticize the sitting president for their actions.
It's not this so much as the attitude that it's too late, so everything he does now is wrong.
If there's literally nothing he can do at this point that you approve of, then why bother trying to get your approval?
Anything he does now is a hollow apology for what has already happened. Nothing he can do will absolve the US- and him specifically- for what support has already been provided.
Not that my support actually matters to him. Or yours. He doesn’t care what you or I have to say. Which is why he didn’t hesitate to support genocide, and has continued to support genocide.
This is something that can’t be made right. It’s not a political game.
Pretty sure none of that has anything to do with what I actually said.
I guess it is easier to argue with someone if you can just decide that they're saying "it's unfair to criticize the president" or similar bollocks and then explain why that is wrong. 🙂
(BTW - If you scroll around in this thread, you will find me criticizing Biden)
I should have just said this when you first commented on my original comment lmao. I didn't realize how easy it was, thanks.
Pretty sure drawing contrast to your apparently unquestionable support for Biden- specifically surrounding genocide- has everything to do with your criticism that we’ll never be happy.
And you might be right. There’s very little Biden can do or say to come back from his support for genocide. And as for climate change… he’s as hypocritical with that as he is calling for a ceasefire while making sure Israel stays fully stocked on bombs.
(For example, he broke his promise to block new drilling on federal lands, has released more oil from the strategic reserve than all other presidents combined and established policies which has increased oil production.)
Nah man he's right, Biden fixed the climate and saved Palestine! It's us, the simple minded voter, who are wrong.
It's always amazing how dedicated they are at "offering criticism" completely out of context, with little to no evidence that completely ignores anything that doesn't paint Democrats in a bad light while simultaneously ignoring any criticism of the GOP. Solutions and context are enemies for some reason...
It’s amazing you don’t understand what “context” is.
The original commenter is trying to gaslight. He made a comment about how “we” wouldn’t be happy if Biden reversed course.
The irony here is there is absolutely nothing Biden can do to bring all the dead babies the bombs he’s already supplied to Israel back.
Biden has gone way the fuck out of his way to facilitate and support genocide. And the OC expects us to embrace Biden for stopping that support? For doing the barest minimum?
I guess I can give Biden a golf clap, if that makes him finally do the right thing. And you’ll note he still hasn’t done the right thing.
My guy, we're going to have an ice free Arctic by 2025. There is no more time for business as usual neoliberalism bullshit. You are deluding yourselves if you think trump is going to bring about the end of the world when the end of the world is literally currently happening lol.
What study bears out that 2025 date? Everything I've read regarding sea ice points at 2050-2080 at the earliest.
.. so downvotes in lieu of evidence? Plain lies it is then.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s43017-023-00515-9.epdf?sharing_token=0NN56H4vvzIXbs2UgHYPftRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0NFQIAvhFvCajrKQh9Lh36bEr1sOzQGNb8DUy_OcWKHndKitcaJ4OsBQ3GmYrXDezBE5godwv3yPRrIaOAJrSX2w05OWVIefbYkLE_prkttS4UATffqfp4KExTVuY_YHqE%3D
Keep your tits on, I'm on the east coast.
And I'm central, regardless I find the downvotes rolling in before any evidence is presented flummoxing, mammary glands aside.
And that study points at 2050, 2067 as an outlier. 2025 is the number you promoted above, no?
Read harder
What you need me to define the word conditions? Do you need to read the paper again and understand what ice free means?
Hahaha
Wow! You really are operating in the same fashion in both spaces. You might not care about intellectual dishonesty throughout someone's post history, but I find it incredibly illuminating.
I apologize for a slight grammar error? I don't know what else to say. The artic will experience ICE FREE SEA ICE CONDITIONS by 2025. Great work detective.
I was legitimately thrilled with the Inflation Reduction Act. That was huge. But I can't turn a blind eye on the travesty that is the Gaza genocide. It's not just a continuation of US foreign policy. But maybe our foreign policy wouldn't be so awful if people like you didn't just shrug.
I'm just gonna refer you to this thread; I had this conversation already today. Those comments rebut your claim that I'm "turning a blind eye" (at least as far as my comments on Lemmy, for whatever they're worth), and the links in them contain some rebuttals for your ideas about what's happening in Gaza being 100% Biden's fault. Some percent yes, on that we'll agree if on basically nothing else about this.
I'm glad to hear you share (some of) my dissapointment with Biden. It's so nice to find some common ground in a conversation on here, I'm not going to try to pick a further fight. Have a good day
All good 👍🏻
So how's the ceasefire deal coming?