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I love how mad this is making people.
He's the Pope. Obviously he's going to want peace. What the hell do people expect? He doesn't care if land is Russian or Ukrainian as long as people stop dying. The geopolitics of the situation are simply not part of his ideology.
Interesting that he chooses to say the people having a genocide done on them need to surrender (which they've literally done and been shot anyway btw) and not the perpetrators of said genocide needing to stop.
Probably because the Pope is and always has been a piece of shit
Huh he didnt say this about the people in Gaza, what are you talking about?
Actually he did say the same for Gaza: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2024-03/pope-francis-angelus-appeal-ceasefire-gaza-war-israel-palestine.html
I mean... Lets be real here. They started the "war" on a false pretense and then killed a fuck ton of civilians.
A million civilians AND the birth defect rate went through the roof after the war AND they destroyed every single piece of infrastructure they could find including water and power AND they used chemical weapons like white phosphorous which is the modern equivalent of napalm
Lmao well you sure don't use the actual definition of genocide
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/2/icj-rules-that-it-will-hear-part-of-ukraine-russia-genocide-case
Holy shit... you are completly spinning it around. Insane...
For context: the ICJ said they aren't allowed to rule about Russia commiting a genocide. But Ukraine has asked the court to check if Ukraine did commit a genocide in eastern Ukraine, like Russia claimed. Its Ukraine asking for this investigation.
'“In the present case, even if the Russian Federation had, in bad faith, alleged that Ukraine committed genocide and taken certain measures against it under such a pretext, which the respondent [Ukraine] contends, this would not in itself constitute a violation of obligations” under the genocide convention, the ICJ said in the ruling read out by its president, Joan Donoghue on Friday.
The ICJ, known as the World Court, said it did not have jurisdiction to rule on whether Russia’s invasion violated the Genocide Convention, or on whether Moscow’s recognition of Donetsk and Luhansk, two breakaway republics in eastern Ukraine, amounted to a breach of the convention.
But the judges said they would allow Ukraine’s request for the court to rule that there was no “credible evidence that Ukraine is committing genocide in violation of the Genocide Convention” in eastern Ukraine.'
War crimes like the forcible transfer of children (i.e. genocide) are for the ICJ to deal with. As a religious leader his prerogative is to reduce suffering and death, by whatever means necessary.
More importantly, Russia can keep this up far longer than Ukraine and he doesn't want us to fight to the last Ukrainian.
I remember when they said they said they were going to charge Russia with war crimes and then when they investigated they found Russia wasn't doing any war crimes, but in the process discovered they themselves were actually doing quite a few of their own. Every right wing accusation is a confession.
Right, a smaller country can never successfully resist a larger one. That's why Vietnam has been under US occupation (or was it French? I can never remember for some reason) all these years since Ho Cho Minh wisely surrendered to spare his people's lives.
A smaller neighbor is vastly different. Vietnam was on the other side of the planet for America and halfway for France. You can't ignore that.
The Viet Minh had the support of the people. The Kyiv regime needs to send out kidnapping squads to fill gaps in their lines. They do not have the support of the people, so their prospects for a successful insurgency are nil.
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Well, if Pope is called "piece of shit" for calling to negotiations to prevent more people dying, then who are you, who's ok with war going on? Entire shit?
He didn't say negotiations, he said surrender
Put more words in my mouth, it makes you look so much smarter
The moral compass of your average liberal is so fucked up the idea that people should die in large quantities for property is normal to them.
This only makes sense under the assumption that if the land becomes Russian, the dying will stop. And that's not guaranteed. Dropping down from dying to violence - that's probably guaranteed to occur for a while if the land becomes Russian.
Why wouldn't the dying stop? Russia is going to need as many workers as possible to rebuild and make up for military losses, on top of the preexisting population stagnation that was already dwindling their workforce. The worst case scenario imo is population transfer, and that's not good, but I don't see Russia being able or willing to waste a population boost from Ukraine.
There has to be an independent UN investigation report into the mass graves. Ukrainian investigators have a strong national interest in fabricating atrocity propaganda, just like the bullshit "investigations" getting churned out by Israel. We can't just blindly trust either side of the war. The UN is looking into it but I'm not seeing any conclusions.
The sending of own working population into the meat grinder is the more interesting part of their comment. It serves as a counterexample for the claim that Russia's need for workers would prevent them from killing more workers. If that were true, they could have stopped throwing people into the meat grinder at any point in time.
There's quite a difference between sending working age men off to war and just rounding them up for execution.
Because Ukrainians wouldn't just stop resisting.
Precisely. Even if the active war stops with Russia taking over Ukraine as a whole or in part, there would need to be repression against the non-conformant Ukrainian population. The fact that the Ukranians haven't folded a long time ago and keep fighting means there's a lot of people that would not be happy with Russian government and therefore they should be expected to resist if that happens anyway. Therefore the obvious need for repression. Therefore the continuation of dying and violence under hose conditions.
Yip. Russia would not stop until total control of occupied regions and surroundings was obtained.
You mean the people died because of the war?
Gosh if only there was a way to prevent that!
People that died in torture chambers, in civilan houses that got hit by rockets, people that have been deported or incarcerated because they have been deemed to be opposedto russian occupation.
Just onesuch example is written about here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/22/a-murdered-writer-his-secret-diary-of-the-invasion-of-ukraine-and-the-war-crimes-investigator-determined-to-find-it
Gosh if only there was a way to prevent that!
Also Israel does literally all of that and to an even greater extent, I say we declare war on Israel.
There is, give Ukraine the ability to defend itself and push Russia out.
That has never been the goal, at least not of the US. The goal has always been to drag the war on as long as possible to maximize the damage to Russia. That's it.
The goal of the Democrats in the US has been to send much more aid much sooner than the Republicans. It's the Republicans that want to see Ukraine fail and who are dragging out this stalemate.
Biden proved that he can just do whatever he wants when he bypassed Congress to give a huge military aid package to Israel and how he's constantly selling arms to Israel using monetary trickery to avoid needing Congressional authorization. Why doesn't he do that for Ukraine?