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Ms. Soussana, 40, is the first Israeli to speak publicly about being sexually assaulted during captivity after the Hamas-led raid on southern Israel. In her interviews with The Times, conducted mostly in English, she provided extensive details of sexual and other violence she suffered during a 55-day ordeal.

Ms. Soussana’s personal account of her experience in captivity is consistent with what she told two doctors and a social worker less than 24 hours after she was freed on Nov. 30. Their reports about her account state the nature of the sexual act; The Times agreed not to disclose the specifics.

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For months, Hamas and its supporters have denied that its members sexually abused people in captivity or during the Oct. 7 terrorist attack. This month, a United Nations report said that there was “clear and convincing information” that some hostages had suffered sexual violence and there were “reasonable grounds” to believe sexual violence occurred during the raid, while acknowledging the “challenges and limitations” of examining the issue.

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[–] nac82@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Now, write an individual article for each child starved to death or bombed by Israel. I can't muster the energy to care about a single rape in the middle of a genocide.

We have rape kits in Texas that have gone untested for over a decade. If rape was important to the people enacting justice, we have a long list to get through before we can start worrying about rapes in warzones.

But justice isn't the intent behind articles like this. They want to justify the genocide with individual crimes.

[–] anarchyrabbit@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I don't agree with this comment. Both of those acts are fucking awful. Anyone to be raped must be an awful experience and extremely traumatic. I understand that some who is raped are not dead, but still a vile act.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You should read that comment again. They aren't arguing that rape is not a vile act. They are saying that the people who are using this woman's horrifying experience as propaganda to justify murdering tens of thousands of people don't actually care about her suffering, they only care about pushing their agenda of Arab extermination. It is literally what the Nazis in Germany did to the Jews 80 years ago.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

That's bullshit. There are many news articles literally every single day about the civilians killed in Gaza. Meanwhile, on Lemmy, you have people still denying that Hamas sexually tortured women captured on October 7. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative.

In my opinion, there is a huge difference between civilian collateral damage during a military operation and the use of rape as a weapon of war. We xan argue about how much force Israel is using and whether X amount of collateral damage is acceptable. But gratuitously raping people has no legitimate purpose, military or otherwise. It serves to sow terror and incite retaliation, which is why Hamas did it.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Neither rape nor civilian murder, or 'collateral damage' as you put it, is tolerable. But minimising the actual deaths and lifelong physical casualties, rather than just rape, of hundreds of people to just 'collateral damage' as though you would react in the exact same way if Hamas was bombing Israeli hospitals and schools, is [insert disparaging word here].

[–] nac82@lemm.ee 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

civilian collateral damage

Nazis can fuck off.

This is exactly what I'm calling out, using individual crimes to justify genocide.

You won't even accurately address the crimes because they are so heinous.

We are talking about genocide. Starving children is in no way a military operation so you can suck that lie back up your ass.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The point is that it is not collateral damage. The murdering of the civilian Arab population is the point of the IDF operations in Gaza.

There isn't a single rational person here who would argue that what Hamas has done and is doing is not horrifying and awful. But Hamas is exactly who Netanyahu wanted as the adversary in Gaza. He has set this stage very carefully in order to bring about the exact scenario that is being played out in Israel and Gaza right now.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

You make a great point about Netanyahu. He's a terrible person. But he didn't start Hamas or write their charter for them, nor did he create the Iranian theocracy or force them to create and support terrorist proxy groups. Netanyahu is an opportunist. He took advantage of an existing situation and made it worse.

Also, unfortunately, there are plenty of people on Lemmy who do rationalize Hamas's actions as a justified "lashing out" by the victims. I don't buy that argument for a second. No society is entirely just and history certainly isn't fair, but that doesn't mean we should allow murder, rape, and torture as a response. The armchair revolutionaries on Lemmy disagree. What they don't realize is that most real revolutions look less like George Washington crossing the Potomac or Ukraine's Maidan revolution and more like Mao's Cultural Revolution.