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With a electoral system like Ranked Choice voting, people would feel safe to vote for whomsoever they wish, as their vote would still be counted even if their preference didn’t win.

Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoiler effect exists.

Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.

Republicans are moving to make alternative electoral systems illegal in their states. Republicans LOVE first past the post voting. Just sbsolutely adore it. Why would you want to use the same voting system republicans want?

More political parties means a higher percentage of the population is represented by their choices in the voting booth. More people involved in the electoral process, more people engaged.

Its a win win win all around for not just the people, but also for the democratic party. More people voting means more democratic votes. The numbers dont lie. So what’s the hold up blue states?

Some day we will be able to vote for who best represents our interests. We won’t need to grovel on our knees, begging for representationin government. We won’t need to wait for the Republican party to stop existing.

We can do it right now. We don't have to get over a damn thing. If anyone needs to get over themselves, it would be the democrats who assume they are the only way forward.

Consider starting a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.

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[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Don’t give me somebody I want to vote for and I’m not voting. Done playing the fear-based voting game.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

DNC fucked themselves by throwing Bernie Sanders under the bus. Count individual donators and Bernie wins by a landslide. Biden and Trump just got corrupt corporate sponsorship.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Bernie or Warren, but it seems the US is still not ready for a woman president, unfortunately.

[–] card797@champserver.net 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

THAT is a lot worse than Joe Biden.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Then they should make me want to vote for them.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Trump should be enough motivation to vote for whoever is running against him.

Obviously it would be best to have someone you are motivated to vote for, but absent that mythical "perfect world", it's still in your interest to vote against the much worse candidate.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I’m not voting for Trump either. Somebody on the right would feel the same as you do about that not being a vote against Biden.

Not voting is my vote. You can play the game if you want but looks like you might be in Canada.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You can play the game if you want

Given the cult-like loyalty that Trump somehow manages to have, I see abstaining from the vote as not negating their vote for the objectively more insane candidate.

but looks like you might be in Canada.

Yes I am, and what you guys do down there has an outsized effect on us (and anyone else who has a diplomatic or trading relationship with the USA).

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

i'm one person. people are gonna vote if and however they want to vote. if Trump makes people vote, good for them. Biden does not make me want to vote, and using scare tactics to get me to vote proves they're just two sides of the same coin. left and right both have cult-like loyalty and there are insane people on both sides.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

i'm one person

Tons of elections have been won or lost by a really small number of votes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_close_election_results

using scare tactics to get me to vote

Not voting means someone else gets to make that choice for you.

"Both sides are the same" is a lazy cop-out.

There are clear differences if you're willing to put In a small amount of effort to try.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Sorry. I’m not voting this election. Best of luck to you.

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago

you have to earn a vote, it is not something you get by default ... also they are materialy the same, also Biden has failed to make any of his promises to the electorate unless you count the one to the doners where he said nothing would change... so no I will not be voting for biden

[–] TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Imagine if all the people who didn't vote, instead wrote in their candidate.

The message sent by not voting is "I'm cool with whomever I get" not "I'm too cool to vote".

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There’s no point without alternative voting like RSV. Cool, you wrote a name down. Might as well just yell a candidate’s name into the ether and throw your ballot in the trash.

[–] TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If there is a huge section of the population that writes in candidates, the person who would have won those votes in a ranked choice situation is motivated to enact rank choice voting.

If you don't vote you don't matter to anyone.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

That’s so backwards. Why don’t we actually put RCV on the ballot instead? I’ll sign any petition. I’ll vote in any election where RCV is on the ballot or a candidate is advocating for RCV or some other alternative voting method.

They can make the same assumption about how they lost their votes whether I write a candidate or don’t vote at all. Newsflash, if you vote for anybody besides the major two candidates you don’t matter to anyone.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Getting trump for 4 years is acceptable punishment to the dnc for not providing better candidates?

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It’s not intentional punishment. It’s just what happens if they don’t have a candidate I want to vote for. If a restaurant makes food I don’t like I’m not punishing them for not eating there.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm guessing your healthcare rights are not at risk of Trump gets into office.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you’re referring to abortions, every state has the power to make it legal if they so choose. Biden doesn’t have the power to make it federal law and Trump wouldn’t have the power to make it illegal in a state where it’s currently legal.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Trump appointed a large amount of conservative judges and would appoint many more further degrading women's rights for decades.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Biden should have done the same. expand the court. he instead did nothing.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Trump is worse than nothing. He is actively turning back rights by several generations and people are just going to let it happen by throwing a fit.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

i'm not letting it happen. the system is letting it happen. it's what America wants. America wanted Obama at one time and republicans were not inspired by their candidates. then they wanted Trump and many people probably turned out to vote because they didn't want Hilary to win (fear voting, or anti-voting). then Biden won because people didn't like Trump and weren't afraid enough of Biden. now the Democratic party is in a position to give us a candidate that we actually care about, and they're just maintaining the anti-voting strategy. when does it stop? America wants what it wants, not what it doesn't want.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Good thing we are not women and have all the time we want to wait for the system to give us the candidates we want...pheww.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Biden is doing nothing to protect women either. He is against expanding the courts and reform to set term limits. I’ll vote for any candidate that supports term limits for the Supreme Court. Biden does not have the power himself to make abortion federally legal, nor would Trump have the power to make it illegal in the states. It’s up to the Supreme Court federally and unfortunately Mr. Biden won’t go on the offensive. They don’t really care about women.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Again, each gets to appoint judges that will affect women for decades. You mentioned the Supreme Court and the problem with them is all attributed to Trump's first term. Second term will have generations long catastrophic repercussions that just won't occur under Biden or just about anyone else. Women don't have time for men to play with their lives and risk a Trump term in order to wait for the perfect candidate. Aanyone else including just about any republican is safer for women than Trump.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, not all women want what you, or the left wants.

Census data from 2020 (couldn't find more recent) shows there are more women of voting age than men in the US: https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2020/demo/popest/2020-demographic-analysis-tables.html

Assuming that some men are voting in favor of women's rights, you would think that it wouldn't be possible for Trump to be elected, but it was, even when a woman was running against him. If women really don't want Trump to win, they seemingly don't even need men to make it happen.

Of course, this doesn't account for the variations in population from state to state, but that even highlights how ridiculous our electoral college voting system is, and guess what. Nobody on the left or right is talking about alternative voting systems like RCV or switching to a popular vote.

Data here shows, however, that there are only 11 states with marginally higher male to female population, so the point still stands. If women want it to happen, they have the power to. It's just not what all women want and they don't need men to do it for them. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/male-to-female-ratio-by-state

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What do those stats have to do with women's healthcare rights? 85% of Americans believe some form of abortion should be legal. A trump term would mean more ultra conservative judges and rulings. Trump is not something we can risk. He is old and this has to be his last chance.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

anyways, fear does not motivate me to vote

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I get it. High five for not having a vagina and not rrreeeaaalllyy having to worry about it.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You don’t know who I am or my life. Like I said, there are people with vaginas who have voted for Trump and people with vaginas who will not be voting for Biden. Women are not a monolith.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago

Sure thing whitey, you'll still be on the wall next to the Nazis you're collaborating with.

Price of admission to those Instagrammable pride marches is gonna start being your "I Voted" sticker with "allies" like you to count on.