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RFK Jr. can't win. But he and Cornel West could put Trump back in the White House.
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No they can't
Nader 2000, anyone?
RFK is way more appealing to the maga crowd than mainstream or progressive Dems.
How about Cornell West?
Who? I've literally never heard of this person prior to now. And I'd like to think I stay fairly up-to-date on US politics.
So yeah, I'm going to go with probably not.
He’s pretty well known among the folks that are big on social justice and environmental issues. I would argue that he’s the biggest name to be on the Green ticket since Nader.
And he doesn’t have to be know by everyone to fuck over Biden. This is going to be a close race. Spoiling a race means that it could come down to a few more votes than normal for the Greens.
Edit: he’s running as an independent now.
The best way to discredit him is with his stance on Ukraine.
https://www.newsweek.com/cornel-west-blames-nato-russias-war-ukraine-1812320
He's going the with "NATO forced them to" talking point, and he's against additional funding for Ukraine. I don't think many people truly on the left will pick him over Biden. Let's hope not, at least.
To be fair, he's against the US providing international military aid and funding across the board, not just Ukraine.
he never said NATO forced them he said it's illegal.
"NATO is an expanding instrument of U.S. global power that provoked Russia into a criminal invasion and occupation of Ukraine,"
He said NATO provoked Russia into it, in effect blaming NATO for Russia's actions and saying "look what NATO made Russia do".
he called it criminal
It's criminal and imperialist. Russia was mad that their former colony wanted to have closer relations to the West and join NATO. So, they invaded and seized Crimea.
When that wasn't enough, and shockingly didn't make Ukraine want to get closer to Russia, Russia invaded the rest of Ukraine.
West does not seem to understand that NATO is a voluntary organization that requires applications to get in, nor that the core of this war is Russia trying to exercise imperialism.
So, it begs the question, why doesn't West want the US to aid a country in protecting its sovereignty against an imperialist power? If he's ideologically consistent, that means he wouldn't want to help Palestinians obtain freedom from Israel either.
what makes you think that?
he never said that
West isn't green
TIL he left the Green Party a few months ago. He was green until last fall.
Appeals to no one anymore
nader didn't put bush in the whitehouse
Definitely debatable. Nader had 97k votes in Florida, and Gore needed about 500.
There are a number of variables that arguably screwed Gore. The ballot format, the chads, the court, the completion from the left, etc. Many argue that removing any one of those variables could’ve likely tipped things for Gore.
Gore won florida
The point is that you’re more vulnerable to shenanigans with a tight margin.
let's put blame for Bush's presidency on bush
And SCOTUS handing it to him, of course.
Also Roger Stone and the rest of the Brooks Brothers Riot ratfuckers for delaying and disrupting the recount enough to give SCOTUS cover for their ridiculous decision to weigh in at all.
Going to back to the point of this thread. Someone like West is not going to win. Vote for him if you want, but if you’re in a state that is going to be tight, voting for him will make it easier for the far right candidate to get certified.
the Democrats and Republicans are both running far right candidates.
One of those candidates is literally running on overturning democratic elections, giving even more money and free rein to private industry, and having his family in appointmented positions.
The false equivalency stuff needs to end.
that's not what far right means, and there is no false equivalency being made
What is it to you? Increased authoritarianism and privatization are cornerstones of most popular definitions of right wing politics.
biden is far right: he expanded the surveillance and arrest powers of the state, imposed harsher prison sentences, voted for every military action he had an opportunity to, voted for taarp, opposed bussing... everything about him is far right. i don't want to defend any politician, so i'm not going to say trump did anything good (or, at least i won't try to enumerate any good things he might have done), but for every far right policy you think he may have, biden has two skeletons in the closet.
Going back to my main point, if you don’t like the things you just listed, you’re reeeeally not going to like the other guy’s policies. And a vote for West will make it easier for the other guy to win.
a vote for biden makes it easier for biden to win, and i don't want that to happen. i'm going to vote for the person i do want to win.
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