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[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Look into historical materialism. Marx's materialist method of understanding how human societies evolved hinged on giving primacy to factors like energy, production, population and ecology. It allowed him to construct an understanding of anthropology so advanced for his time that when I was being taught anthropology by my uni professors I legit thought he was a Marxist. Only later did I realise that marx's method is today being rediscovered and being touted as some new revolutionary thinking.

Another point in which materialism is important to Marxism is with economics. Whole today's economic theories on value consider it to be subjective, marx analysed value through constraints on labour in an economy. The method that he used was a kind of primitive linear programming. It then inspired the creation of actual linear programming, which won Nobel prizes and forms the backbone of economic planning even in capitalist firms.

Really, marx's dialectical materialism was one of the first scientific approaches to fields and political movements (economics, history, socialism) dominated by idealism and hodgepodge theories. It is the reason why marx was so influential beyond his years and beyond his contemporaries like proudhon and fruerbach

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I am aware of historical materialism. I am not aware of any conflicts between it and idealism.

Marx himself seems to have only thought of idealism as specifically the type of idealism that posits that only material stuff and mental stuff exist. I do not subscribe to any of those schools of idealist thought, and I very much do subscribe to the notion that mental stuff is dependent on material stuff, and, in that sense, the latter has a 'primacy' over the former. And yet, I am still an idealist and I see no conflicts between idealism and Marxism.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't remember if you were the guy who mentioned believing in platonic ideals in math or what (platonic ideals come deeply into conflict with dialectics), but it seems as if your philosophical views are highly eclectic. Maybe you should study some authors who explain dialectical materialism.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean, mathematical Platonism seems to be the most popular view on ontology among mathematicians, so my views are not exactly special in that regard.

However, I have not shared these thoughts on Hexbear before, at least as far as I can remember. Also, please, don't call me a 'guy'. I am not hard-against that, but would rather not be called that word or described as such.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Ok, sorry about calling you a guy.

Mathematical platonism is rejected in the dialectical world-view. In fact, dialectics is entirely incompatible with platonism. Dialectics by definition sees all objects are having fuzzy boundaries that change over time. In dialectics, the definition of objects is context dependent and negotiable.