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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 49 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

Doesn't most of this stuffapply to basically all EVs?

I have done zero research and I know these dealbreakers:

  • Microtransactions for a car (e.g. autopilot features, features already built-in, but subscription locked)
  • A tablet on the dashboard is a UX nightmare, since it can't be used blindly (you should focus on the road, please).
  • The futuristic retracting doorhandles are a nightmare for firefighters, since you can't easily pull people out of crashed Teslas.
  • The whole cybertruck debacle
  • Wasn't the estimated reach that the car supposedly had explicitly programmed to overestimate?

Edit: aparrently, the doors are very hard/mostly impossible to open when the power goes out.

[–] lens17@feddit.de 26 points 7 months ago

I definitely do not want to defend Tesla here, but other manufacturers are unfortunately following the same path. It's ridiculous. BMW is putting most of the extra features into the car on a technical level, but lock them down so you can't use them unless you pay a fucking monthly subscription for e.g. the seat heaters. What the actual fuck has gotten into manufacturers?

And the touchscreens? I'm soooo glad that the German equivalent to road and safety announced that the safety rating of cars will go down in the future if there are no haptic controls. I definitely like a sleek appearance, but form follows function for fucks sake.

/rant

[–] eatCasserole@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My mom has one, and the door handles are so awkward, I really don't think I'll ever get used to them. From the inside, it's easy enough, but it's also just a button, with no physical unlatching mechanism, and the window has to go down slightly when the door opens, so I would not want to be in there if it lost power.

She does generally like the thing though.

[–] Exusgu@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There's a separate handle on the inside to be used when there's no power. It's to be used in an emergency, and works without the window going down

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Unless you are in the back seat.

[–] Exusgu@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

In the model 3 at least, the rear doors can also be opened without power by pulling a cable. Not as obvious as the front doors, I'll say, but you will be able to get out.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-A7A60DC7-E476-4A86-9C9C-10F4A276AB8B.html

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That was added in this year's model. All previous Model 3's do not have manual release for the rear door. https://youtu.be/Cfk8Erx8Wiw?si=MGK94UX_qavyOuVr

Besides, having manual door open under a hidden panel in the bottom of a door pocket is ridiculous.

[–] OwlHamster@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Mine is from 2019 and I have to actually tell people in the backseat to use the button and not the handle, because it's so much more prominent.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The previous poster already showed the user manual where the BACKSEAT release is under a hidden panel at the bottom the door pocket.

I showed a video that the 2022 and older model 3 has no manual door release at all.

Again, BACKSEAT. The front seat has an easy access manual door opener.

[–] OwlHamster@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I don't know what you want me to say, my 2019 Model 3 has a manual door release handle on top of the panel inside the door of the back seat? Maybe it's a EU regulation thing.

Also mine looks nothing like the manual posted. Just to point out, this wasn't a recent addition, there were model 3s with back door manual releases back in 2019.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's a physical handle? Not a pull string like is shown in the manual? That isn't standard on any 2019 Tesla in Europe.

2019:

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/?model-3-rear-door-no-unpowered-emergency-release-safety.179083/

2023:

"The new owner's manual for the Europe-bound Model 3 shows that the rear doors are now fitted with an easily accessible manual door release. This is placed at the bottom of the door pocket, under a plastic cover that can be easily removed to access the mechanical release cable. "

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-model-3-highland-has-easily-accessible-emergency-releases-even-for-rear-doors-220756.html

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Also the doors freeze closed, because the stupid window design.

[–] TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah this has happened to me once, so I think I just defrost the car ahead of time now. Don’t recall what I did to get in that one time — probably just scraped some ice, waited a minute for it to defrost, or used a different door? It’s a con, but carries very little weight on my pro/con list. I like the frameless look and would make the same tradeoffs as Tesla did. It’s that insignificant of a problem IME

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Maybe it's not a big deal in warmer countries but for northern Europe it seems stupid as fuck

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't Norway own more Tesla's per capita than any other country? I'm not an expert, but that seems like a Northern European country. Is it a huge problem up there?

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago

I recall Norway has been giving very large tax cuts for purchases of EVs in general, funded by their oil money. I guess you'll just see high concentration of Teslas there it being the most popular EV manufacturer afaik

[–] TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

I’m in the cold. I don’t disagree it’s stupid, but you are overreacting

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago

I live in central Europe (Germany) where it freezes every night in winter. Never had an issue, 3+ years of ownership.

[–] evatronic@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

Not only EVs.

My '19 Honda hybrid has all the same features, save being an EV (I live in an apartment and have no place to reliably charge).

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

The high end Tesla's have the stupid doorhandles. The low end (Y and 3) have manual door handles, they're just recessed so you have to press the thick part in to present the handle. In practice it's a non issue unless things that are slightly different stun lock you into inaction.

The subscription thing is overblown in my opinion.

Autopilot is the big one where it matters. You get TACC and Auto steer on freeways for free.

Navigation on autopilot, auto Lane change, auto park, summoning the car and moving the car through the app are all locked behind an Enhanced Autopilot option you can buy.

FSD unlocks austosteer on city streets and auto stoping/going at stop signs and traffic lights. You can buy it outright or rent it on a month to month basis, and switch between the three modes at will.

Most non-autopilot features are free but require internet, so you can either pay Tesla ~$9 a month for unlimited car data, or connect your car to wifi (hotspot while driving).

I think only careoke, live traffic / satellite view on maps, and remotely interfacing with the car (viewing the car cameras through the app, etc) actually require a subscription to premium connectivity, but I'm not 100% sure those don't work over WiFi.

oh, there's also a one-time performance package you can buy if you want to destroy your tires even faster than normal.

And I won't defend the goofy Cybertruck (I would drive one of it had launched for at the promised price and range), but how does that existing count as a mark against owning an EV, or even a Tesla?

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The subscription thing is overblown in my opinion.

I'd like to own my vehicle, please. Without the manufacturer requiring a backdoor into it, basically making repairs impossible.

but how does that existing count as a mark against owning an EV, or even a Tesla?

It doesn't count as a mark against owning a Tesla. It's just an example that you can't assume that potentially good designs by Tesla engineers could be overturned by a billionaire manchild. And I never said anything against EVs in general.

[–] Kage520@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

I got the unlocked speed and I'm still on original tires at 28,000 miles. Still have plenty of wear before they need replacing too.

The problem is not stomping on the accelerator, since the car has very effective traction control. The problem is cornering. These are very heavy cars, and cornering is rough on tires even on a light car. So have a bit of fun off the line if it's safe to do so, then corner like a grandma and your tires should last reasonably well.

[–] TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
  • Yes, cars being built today are copying features from Teslas. New ones still don’t match my UX from a 5 year old car.
  • Micro-transactions are so very stupid, and I’m not saying Tesla doesn’t have any (think I paid a one-time fee to increase the 0-60 performance after Tesla improved the tuning of the same motors for another product), but IMO there is nothing being sold that a reasonable person would expect to have come with the initial purchase. Y’all make it sound like it needs a constant internet connection to check if you’re subscribed to Tesla+ in order to put the car in drive or something.
  • The TESLA tablet is pretty incredible. Other vehicles tablets are not. I will die on this hill (should have happened by now according to the many people who haven’t used it). I can easily travel with zero screen taps or glances due to the amount of things that have been considered and automated. If I do need to change something, I DON’T need to look DOWN near the cup holders or try to decipher a couple stalks. I have zero disdain or concern for the lack of physical buttons. I realize that my generation may have some biases in this regard.
  • The door handles are different and require a few seconds to figure out the first time, sure, but I’m not concerned. Firefighters are experienced and resourceful and the Tesla has a higher safety rating than other vehicles.
  • Cybertruck pedal design flaw is horrible. It’ll be fixed before it causes further injury. The news of this is not enough to make me think I should be looking at other manufacturers yet (have you seen the flaws they produce?).
  • Oh right forgot about that range SW. I do count that against them. Luckily for me and most other Tesla drivers, it didn’t make a difference due our ability to wake up to full range and access the really good routing and supercharging network. But yeah, glad it was caught.
  • There are backup door handles that require no power. They are intuitive (most first timers use it instead of the electronic ones by accident).