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As an Aussie, I'd never go there..I don't want to get shot and then someone claim they were standing their ground or whatever. As I have no problem with foreigners, lgbt people and I hate guns, why would I go?
As far as we know, it feels like I'd be stepping into kkk/nazi territory. I can go Europe instead where people are super chill
Uh, yeah, none of that is going to happen to you. Go where you want, but comparing FL to Nazi territory is so ridiculous.
Your governer (combined with Trump) is already following many of the tactics the Nazi's used (banning books, using dangerous language like "woke", etc).. This time though, its not against the Jews, it's against Trans people. Our government warns against it: https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/americas/united-states-america and I literally watched on Sky news, as Trump was setting things up for violence (it was SO obvious to anyone months in advance, and I literally worked it out within 5 mins of watching Sky news where it was headed.. I am not a smart guy...)
And a lot of this nonsense is spilling over to Australia.
I have no interest in going somewhere like that.. I can go elsewhere in the US, or Europe. I've got a trans friend and plenty of gay friends (but I'm totally straight myself). I probably have even more I'm not even aware of. Desantis isn't getting a dollar from me.
What benefits does Florida have over other places? Why would I visit? I can go elsewhere without the bigotry, people carrying guns everywhere, etc.
It's true not everyone in Florida is racist, but, if I'm on holiday, why go somewhere I'm dealing with all of that? Why go somewhere where school kids get shot? Why not go somewhere more positive
In fact ironically, I didn't think much of Disney, until they fought back against Desantis. Now I'm happy they exist..
The nazis also targeted transfolk as well. The repugnants aren't going to stop at trans people or liberals. They're going to go after everyone eventually, even each other.
Yep.. I actually feel scared for you guys when Trump goes to prison, or for next election.
You're all welcome here in Australia, to see what things should be like..
Lol, the Nazis targeted everyone who wasnt ethnically German and non-jewish. They targeted straight, white people because they were liberal in general. They targeted meat-eaters and pushed a vegetarian diet.
The actual socialists were also ousted about as soon as possible.
Eh? I'm not in Florida, I live in Arizona. But yeah, it sounds like you should probably stay away from Florida in general, if you're that fearful. No point it you can't relax because you're afraid of dangerous words like woke.
We also definitely have different views on guns in general. As a woman, I like being able to have one for protection, so I'm not worried in my day-to-day life about guns.
Lots of us have gay and trans friends.
The language you're using to describe things here, is a bit deceptive.
Implying the problem is "Words like woke"? It's not the word that's the issue here... They're doing stuff like banning puberty blockers and banning preferred pronouns in schools too. There's lots of evidence of facism (and the anti-woke agenda is basically a subtle version of genocide / encouraging bigotry). They're using the word as a mechanism to drive a bigotted agenda..
What happens when Trump finally goes to jail at the end of the year?
In florida, whilst you argue you "carry a gun for protection", the fact that criminals (and psycho's) can get those guns as easily just makes it more dangerous. It's not normal... I've seen how druggies in particular lose their mind over small things. That's only a good thing if there are background checks (there aren't in florida from my understanding). A criminal is always going to have an advantage during a gunfight (as they'll be inclined to shoot first)
Whilst you may not believe it, there is VERY strong evidence that people like Trump are literally following the fascist playbook (which includes "state media", which he's basically doing with "fake news" claims).
Trump's already clearly setting you guys up for Civil war. And unless you can say honestly he's not doing those things, no foreigner wants to go to his Base of operations. Even as an Australian, it's very clear he's trying to set things up to take over the justice department. He's already trying to convince his base that the government is corrupt.
You tell me honestly, how safe is the US if Trump goes to Jail, or loses the next election? We already saw how his supporters acted last time, and he's already stepped up the rhetoric. We don't see regular school shootings in other countries, and nobody here carries a gun. In fact, people here need to justify a purpose for keeping the gun (and there are STRICT conditions to owning one). "Defending yourself" isn't one of those reasons..
I don't know man, it's getting there. The same could be said for Texas.
As a Leftist, who very much looks like a Leftist, I am currently visiting Florida's panhandle and I'm having a very great time. It's very much like the Deep South. People are very friendly. I see plenty of people of color too. It's not like genocide is raging and people are being hunted down en masse, not that I support DeSantis nor do I want to normalize him and I do think we are inevitably heading towards fascism in the US.
On the other hand, I did go to a restaurant and sat next to a table with a Neo-Nazi couple with swastika tattoos but we left our respective parties alone.
I have no doubt that the majority of Floridians will be civil, even around leftists and LGBTQ+ people. However, much of the recent legislation in Florida has been straight-up fascist. Also, Florida is seeing an influx of radical conservatives moving there, along with a lot of left-leaning and LGBTQ+ people leaving. That's what I mean when I say that "it's getting there".
No disagreements about any of that.
I was just adding to the chain of comments so I replied to you but I guess I was mostly addressing the Aussie's concerns.
oh yeah.. It's unlikely I'll be shot, but, more likely than anywhere else. Thing is, what does Florida offer to someone like me that lots of other places don't offer, which don't have the negatives?
I'm not trying to convince you to come to Florida. Just saying it's not as bad for most as it may sound.
But everywhere is different and Florida is a unique place and it's worth visiting if you get the chance. I've been throughout Florida and it's beautiful. And I've very extensively travelled internationally so please don't assume it's a sheltered perspective from someone who never left the US.
Is it legal for you to use the bathroom? Because that makes a difference.
They're literally imprisoning people for trying to find a place to pee. At what point are the red flags enough? Literal death camps?
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I'm concerned about the malaria and now lepercy spreading let alone the hostile environment to basic freedoms in FL.