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TW: Harry Potter

Was Harry Potter Ever Good?No

Video discusses flaws of the Harry Potter works by J.K. Rowling with comparisons to how other fictional YA novels/tv shows handled problematic topics.

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[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago (7 children)

I'm kind of intetested in how Harry Potter became huge in the first place. Because no, it never was good. Kids don't know any better because there's no reference point for them obviously, but there was a massive amount of adult fans which is a huge ? for me.

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I was too young at the time to really debate someone on what books were good and which were slop/drivel, and by the time I was old enough, it's popularity and marketing machines were already peaked. I remember crying when pottermore gave me the wrong house. Much is obvious in retrospect, but it would be nice to see what someone who was an adult at the time and saw things as they were, in historical context, could fill us in on how this incident spiraled out of control.

The best I could guess tho, it was "good enough", got some heavy luck, right-place, right-time. You couldn't repeat the success today because most YA competitors just do most things better.

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

i was about 19 when the Harey Porber thing was popping off. for a fear years, i used to hang in a chain bookstore cafe near my house to read on days/mornings/evenings off, and made friends with several of the staff. it was in a sort of slow half-decaying strip mall and quiet. except on the book launch night, when it was suddenly a nuthouse.

most of the adult worker commentary on it was like, "its intense, but it's good kids are reading". but it had all the hallmarks of an incredibly organized national marketing campaign. like it seemed to come out during those seasonal public school reward programs for reading books / getting pizza, and the bookstore franchise was all geared up for it with corporate directives on how to layout the store, games that could be played, and keep the line moving once sales started. i have to emphasis how dead this big bookstore was. like the regulars were people who got coffee+newspapers, and transients that took the wrestling mags into the bathrooms to have a quiet, undisturbed beat off.

nobody on staff had ever heard of this prior. most thought it was going to be another corporate failure, but at like 730 or whatever suddenly the mostly dead strip mall parking lot is PACKED and kids in costumes are flooding in, running around, being wizards or whatever. i skedaddled immediately, because it was not a quiet place to read that evening.

i was way too old to be interested in a kid's story about a magic middle school kid. it was absolutely marketed as a kids book for kids. i only ever watched the movies, because special effects are cool. i remember the little kids getting older as time went on, talking about how the kids in their stories were older too and the themes were darker and characters they liked DIED! that was like around the time i was reading about the Red Wedding or Oberyn Martell getting his skull crushed by The Mountain That Rides and was like 🙄

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

for reference, when i was in 8th grade (age 13), this is the sort of book my public school teacher had us reading.

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

kids in costumes are flooding in

my friends and I dressed up as witches for the last 3 book releases, and several of the movie releases, and even after highschool, we weren't the oldest people wearing customs to these things.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

Wasn’t an adult at the time, but a bit too old to get into it either. So I didn’t have the fully fleshed out perspective, but the impression I got was that it was drawing in adult readers who weren’t already fantasy readers and ergo not familiar with the tropes and stereotypes of the genre. So the unoriginal elements appeared novel to them.

As far as why this particular series: my best guess is that it came down to the marketing. Maybe invoked some nostalgia in adult readers for older novels/series like Narnia.

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago

It was the advent of the internet and discussion forums, blogs, and fan fiction.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It was a combination of actually being good for the first couple of books, marketing push from Scholastic after it’s breakthrough success in the UK, and being able to connect to kids in ways other books weren’t at the time.

Harry Potter was never pushed in schools and so we read older classic and Caldecott Medal books. Here comes a story that’s about school, the thing you’re stuck in, but with wizards. Every kid would rather be casting spells than doing regular school work so the concept alone got the kids hooked.

This was also around the time of the Pokémon craze and I wouldn’t be surprised if Scholastic was hoping for something similar with Harry Potter.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

I feel like there was also a lot of parental concern (or something) about how kids aren't reading enough and we're becoming more illiterate.

I don't really remember having a huge amount of control over what books my parents bought me, so idk how much influence kids choices would be until after the first couple of books. After that though, network effect

[–] Florn@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

Check out the Shrieking Shack podcast, in early episodes they go into the history of it a bit

[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think it was just a "right place right time" phenomenon. YA books were going to explode into a genre and become what they are now no matter what, Potter was just there with the right story targeting the right audience to open the door.

[–] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Ya books have always been a thing. George mcdonald was writing the stuff in the mid 19th century.

It pisses me off when people say harry potter made kids begin to read. Thats the advertising for the series but its bullshit. Because ya literature has always been there and because harry poter readers never read another book.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It pisses me off when people say harry potter made kids begin to read

Yeah, that always felt like some bs advertising shit. "Wow, kids have never read before! Why did no one ever think to write books for kids until just now!" Absolute Reading Rainbow erasure geordi-no

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

Why did no one ever think to write books for kids until just now!

I can imagine standing inside my middle school's actually-rather-huge library with books for kids of all ages and hearing somebody seeing Harry Potter for the first time and saying this lol.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

I also wonder how it got that big, especially since HP was kind of the last of its kind of this type of YA novels that are just about a bunch of kids doing things to really get big. Later stuff was more about horniness like Twilight or dystopia like Hunger Games. Although I don't even know if Twilight was intended as a YA novel, or if it was so badly written it de facto became one.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

I mean I was a kid but I had already started reading The Hobbit in the fifth grade and then The Lord of the Rings in the sixth grade before the movies came out, so by the time I started reading Harry Potter also in the sixth grade I already felt like it was good but not great. But my grandma bought them for me because she knew I liked Tolkien's books so I read them all each time she'd buy them for me. She was really sweet about it so I always feel like a jerk when I shit on Harry Potter books like this because I feel like an ungrateful little brat. Haha She'd understand though.

But, honestly, I feel like the last book was the most interesting to me.