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That's the thing. We aren't getting an alternative. We're getting fascism. Whether we slowly slide into it with the Democrats or speed run it with the Republicans we will have to deal with the issue.
obviously a slow slide gives people time to leave and it offers more chances for the fascist factions to cannibalize each other. From a strategic perspective you never go with the quick option unless you think you can win the fight quickly.
At this point I despair of winning this fight at all. As long as Amazon Prime Video keeps it's ads short enough, most people aren't even going to notice the cops turning ever more into a paramilitary force. The list of rights SCOTUS has broken for the cops during my lifetime is frankly amazing. Not one right from the 1st to the 8th is enforceable in our courts. You can't even protest without getting beat by the police. That fact alone should have the entire country in the streets.
We're already hemmed in, the alarms are already going off and the collective response is to just vote for the guy who lets the fascists organize for a few more years. We're already fucked, the goose was cooked in 2020 and we couldn't see it because Obama did actually try and none of us imagined Biden would just... not.
Ok, but like, no.
Convincing argument.
This one's better?
That doesn't mean roll over, it means get angry, get in the streets, demand your rights, demand a government that does more than rule by cruelty or rule by coin.
On the streets now demanding. Someone just gave me a fivesky and says it's OK if I spend it on booze, he understands.
Maybe put some clothes back on and don't wear the signboard... I laughed though.
What are you doing to deal with it?
Protest, work to get other people elected.
If you think Trump is going to save a single Palestinian, I hope you succeed in getting him elected.
We just won’t read about it any more.
then make do with what you've got
No. This isn't what we have, this is what the wealthy elite have. We're not making do, we're drowning. We've been drowning. But everyone ignored the warnings so here we are.
humans have been making do with much less than what you have for hundreds of thousands of years. making do also does not necessarily exclude political action
That's right up there with, "better clean that plate, there's starving kids in China!"
It's that very history you mention that tells me it's time to stop supporting weak Democrats. Either we get someone strong enough to pull us back from the abyss or we're already fucked. This story has played out time and again from the Roman Empire to Post Colonial Africa. The compromise guy is put in charge and the authoritarian runs him over.
... so let's just speedrun it?
years ago, i lived in a community where someone had spray-painted the dumpster. it said something like "tear it all down and start over." i endorsed that at the time.
now i am way too invested in way too many people to see it go down like that.
Let's not run it. Let's march in the streets instead.
And Trump will improve that how? We already know he’ll make everything else worse.
Oh he won't. But neither will Biden.
Right. So maybe you should look at everything else they have done as president and realize there’s a lot more at stake in this election.
I have considered it.
you mean like voting against gay marriage; lgbt in the military & federal service and then only changing his mind LONG after lgbt people fought against him and now their issues have popular support?
or maybe it's forcing permanent student loan debt; disabling bankruptcy protections and imprisoning immigrants fleeing persecution that you like?
No. I mean what Trump and Biden have done in their presidency. Your claims are all false.
https://lemmy.world/comment/9870416
No he's right. Biden has had to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing the right thing his entire career. As for what's happening right now, he's not reformed student loans, he's screwed over Unions and climate change, and he didn't effectively deal with an attempted coup.
Now he wants us to vote for him again to protect us from the guy that's still free because Biden failed to do his most basic job. All while he's supporting a genocide.
Fuck you for trying to gaslight us and fuck that.
I would love to see you support those claims with proof that doesn’t come from Fox News. lol
What are you reading? He increased the cost to lease an oil site, increased taxes on the oil industry, created a 13 million acre oil-free reserve in Alaska, subsidized EVs and solar panels, and created an environmental task force.
Solar panels and EVs were subsidized by Obama. Biden actually rolled the EV subsidies back to protect Ford and GM who weren't ready for EVs that weren't luxury vehicles. They then proceeded to immediately shit the bed. NYT in April of 2023 reports that just 11 vehicles qualified after the rule changes. That list is now 12 vehicles long according to Consumer Reports.
The environmental task force... is a meeting. I'm not joking. They aren't new agencies or new authorities. It's just a memo requiring certain agencies to talk to each other. Which they already did.
Oh but he taxed oil, and re-closed the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. So the next guy just reverses that. If oil is even that relevant by then. He scored a point in the 50 year old argument about oil drilling. whoopdedoo. Can you tell me what he's doing to make sure we don't strip mine the west for Lithium and other minerals need for the future of our infrastructure? Or are we only allowed to talk about the mining that's already winding down on the timescale?
Biden issued a $7B solar subsidy and a new EV tax credit.
https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/biden-harris-administration-announces-7-billion-solar-all-grants-deliver-residential
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/credits-for-new-clean-vehicles-purchased-in-2023-or-after
It’s faster to repeal legislation than it is to enact it. Trump repealed 112 environmental regulations in one term, setting us back over a decade in progress. It could take 10 year to undo that damage.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.html
I'm not here to talk about Trump. He's a human dumpster fire.
From your own IRS help article-
It's not a new credit. They changed the rules for an existing credit to favor domestic production down into the supply chain. Which is only met by (currently) 12 vehicles. And for 2024 it looks like Nissan and Honda both managed to get a vehicle back into compliance. (Leaf and Prologue)
And the EPA solar program is just bringing over what DoE has been doing for a decade already. It's great that it got funding, but it's hardly novel and we're already saturated for solar power in many places.
I follow. I thought it was new based on the date of enaction.
That's part of what's soured me about Biden. He keeps taking victory laps on things we already won or that he misrepresents to the people. It started with him trying to claim a victory on immigration by making Asylum even more dangerous than it already is. It's like watching George Bush all over again, just without the hating on minorities.
He was handed a nation in decline, with massive holes poked by Trump’s rapid repeals. It’s going to be slow to repair. Granted, I’m not a big fan of Biden either. He’s only got my anti-Trump vote.
Hitler isn’t so bad if you overlook the Holocaust. He did build the autobahn after all.
Trump repealed 112 environmental regulations in one term, undoing over a decade’s worth of progress.
Biden just reenacted gender discrimination law that Obama created and Trump subsequently repealed.
SCOTUS repealed Affirmative Action, overturned Roe vs. Wade, and left protest law up to the states due to the heavily conservative appointments made by Trump.
Trump’s tax cuts expired for the low and middle classes in 2022, but the larger tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations continue through 2024. Biden’s tax proposal begins in 2025, with cuts for the low and middle class, and heavily increased taxes on the wealthy and corporations.
Russia will succeed in their invasion of Ukraine if the US fails to provide support, which is Trump’s position.
Trump also said the Israel’s biggest problem is recording their atrocities, and they should just finish what they started in Gaza.
I could go all day, but you get the point.