From all the concern trolling I see in the other instances it's clear that there's no winning over these people. Everything is "Kremlin propaganda" to them. I do think a lot of chapos did go a little overboard with the PPB, but even thoughtful responses were met with the "hateful rhetoric" and "Kremlin talking points" BS. As always, it is to the Global South we must look to for any hope in the future...

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[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please do not draw conclusions from how people post on a niche internet forum.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, though it's arguably worse in the general population. Western indoctrination runs deeeeep.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Idk may just be my personal experience but I've never heard anyone irl say anything close to as weird about geopolitical stuff or communism as I've seen from liberals since federation. Closest is my dad saying once that he agreed with Patton that the western allies should have "kept going" (like the opposite of our "Stalin shouldnt have stopped at Berlin" thing) but that was a one time thing.

Maybe its because I haven't really bothered to say things that challenge liberal perspectives about geopolitics I guess? But it says something that they certainly haven't volunteered that kind of weird shit.

That said I haven't had much human contact since I lost my old job so maybe my experience is limited.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've tried to talk to libs about China because I'm Chinese so maybe that's why I have a different perspective.

Its like everyone around you refusing to believe that the sky is blue because BBC told them that the sky is green. After a while you start to question even yourself.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Someone here on Hexbear said something like liberals don't believe in other countries as existing geopolitical entities with diverse populations and economies. They think of places like Russia and China as mischievous polytheistic gods with distinct character flaws and demonic powers to influence people's minds. They think of Putin as some malignant devil in the clouds watching all discussion about him.

[–] christiansocialist@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Idk may just be my personal experience but I've never heard anyone irl say anything close to as weird about geopolitical stuff or communism as I've seen from liberals since federation.

Back when the SMO started in early 2022, I was hanging out with some ppl IRL and one of them just blatantly said "they should just take him [Putin] out" (as in assassinate him). And this was at a milquetoast event where geopolitics wasn't even the reason we were there (it was a trivia night). So yeah even irl normies have some pretty warped views. Another guy I know just blatantly repeated the "China is buying up all the farmland in the US" nonsense...

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just had a conversation about the wave of true crime media with my coworkers. They were visibility uncomfortable when I pointed out it just how wild it is the cops are so bad at their jobs an entire media empire spawned from it. One guy couldn't bring himself to speak and we had to change the subject.

[–] christiansocialist@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ooo I wanna hear more about this.

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It was sad really. They were talking about the one dhalmer victim that the cops gave back to him. They were trying to work out how the cops didn't realize it. What details caused them to overlook the situation. I told them the cops knew. They knew and didn't care. It was poor black gay kids mostly. Half of them they had already arrested for the crime of going to a gay bar, the other half had been arrested for the usual racism. I pointed out how these cops would have been trained by working under the apartide rules of Jim Crow. So after they gave the crying bleeding child back to the man that openly stated he was having sex with him, they laughed and placed bets on if they would ever see the kid again as they drove back to the station so they could clock out and beat their wives. Obviously that is the only interpretation that fits the data. One of my coworkers glitched out. He got quiet and started doing the, "no, but see.... if they..." routine for a minute before we changed the subject and he just sat quietly. I am the most cis het white guy at work so when I talk shit on the cops really people really have a hard time pushing back. They want to, I work in a middle class environment so they want to.