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That’s outrageously incorrect. We’re not talking about attacking pro-Israel protesters, or attacks by pro-Palestinian protesters. We’re talking about people ignorantly attacking Jewish students simply because they’re Jewish. They’re being attacked verbally and physically, receiving harassing emails, and being doxxed for being Jewish.
Antisemitism in the US is up 400% since October. College students across the nation have been targeted.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-antisemitic-incidents-up-about-400-since-israel-hamas-war-began-report-says-2023-10-25/
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/business/antisemitism-college-harvard-upenn/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/73-jewish-college-students-experienced-seen-antisemitism-start-school-rcna127014
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-jewish-students-say-pro-israel-violence-at-ucla-protest-camp-undercuts-advocacy/
That’s exactly the ignorance that is causing the problem. Jewish is both an ethnicity as well as a religion. That’s why antisemitism is uniquely different, it’s both religious persecution and racism. You should be more informed or you may unintentionally promote hate.
Jews are not committing genocide. Israel is.
The ADL has defined anti-Zionism to be antisemitic, so of course they will say antisemitism has rocketed. I don't doubt that there has been some increase in antisemitism, which is awful, to be clear. But when there are such widespread, deliberate efforts to muddy the waters by conflating anti-Israel sentiment with anti-semitism, the accusation loses its power. And that conflation happens in the articles you posted.
https://www.adl.org/antisemitism
https://www.adl.org/resources/tools-and-strategies/what-antisemitism-anti-zionism-anti-israel-bias
Yes, anti-Zionism is antisemitism, but antisemitism is not anti-Zionism.
Also, the other links are clear accounts of Jewish students, not pro-Israel protesters, being attacked verbally and physically, receiving harassing emails, and being doxxed for being Jewish. Comments like yours are the problem. Read before you type.
Anti-Zionism is NOT antisemitism
According to the ADL it is. I don’t agree, but that’s how they define it.
People want their side to be all good and the opposition to be all bad.
I mean, the opposition is all bad in this case, but one's own side is rarely all good. People more often engage in hagiography than analysis.
It’s just important to know that the side that is at fault is Israel and not Jews. If people understood that, then antisemitic hate crimes wouldn’t be up 400%. The real ignorance is people hearing Biden and Congress condemning antisemitism and conflating it with judgement of anti-Israel protest. They are not the same. Biden knows that, as do the thirty-something Jewish members of Congress. I blame Netanyahu for manipulating that term in defense of Israel, but that doesn’t excuse the ignorance of Americans.
If Biden wasn't trying to imply that the protesters were doing the antisemitism, why did he bring it up every time he talked about the protesters? You don't muddy concepts like that at that level by accident.
How do you not see that one leads to the other without understanding the difference between Israel and Jews?
I can't follow the ones and the others you're intending or make sense of the point you're trying to make.
Biden reliably brought up antisemitism whenever talking about protests. This wasn't Biden overestimating whether the public understood that anti-Zionism is different from anti-semitism. He did it on purpose because he wanted to smear them, because the protests are effectively against his actions (even though their short-term target was their schools) and he wanted the general public to think they're illegitimate and a valid target for administration and police crackdowns. If he wanted to draw a clean distinction between criticism of Israel and hate against Jews, he would have.
"If there wasn't any racism, there wouldn't be racism"? I'm not sure what the point is here.
You're really not seeing the conflict between "There has been a spike in antisemitic activity, yes" and "Biden objecting to antisemitism in the protests while acknowledging their right to voice their grievances with Israel is ignorance"?
I hear it as condemnation of hate crimes that are propelled by the false narrative that protesting Israel is the same as protesting Jews. He’s also saying there’s a difference between protest and attacks.
The spike coincided with the response to October’s attack. It’s a direct correlation that clearly needs to be clarified to some.