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Keep protesting from now to the future until we get shit done, but vote Biden regardless. We're stuck with this choice cause this is the only least worst option we have, voting red is just shooting oneself in the foot. Wish Bernie was still an option.
Also fuck the electoral college.
God. If only.
Edit: Context:
Edit2: lmao
Cascadia is fundamentally a movement born out of the Northwest Imperative, AKA "white people going so nuts they want to make an actual white ethnostate out of everything from the Pacific coast through Northern Wyoming."
I'm adding this to the list of reasons I think lemmy.ml is full of fascists.
Thanks for letting us know that it's all about you.
Fuck you. I'll vote for non genocide.
That's Biden. The best anti-genocide voting strategy is Biden.
Absolute know nothings are down voting you but it's true.
Even Bernie is out there telling people to vote for Biden. If Biden doesn't win, you might not get another chance to vote.
Might be like how Hamas did. They get elected and then immediately cancel all future elections, make democracy a capital offense.
I was surprised to see how the votes swung from +4 to -2 over the span of a couple minutes.
Yeah, Idiots and Tankies. Smart enough to understand Israel is bad stupid enough to think Hamas is good.
I can't wait to see how they try to explain to us how Bernie helped the DNC rig the primaries against Bernie
How fucking stupid can you be? He is shipping weapons on over to Israel to continue the genocide in Gaza. Oh, they're delaying the current shipment... So maybe he's going to turn a new leaf? I'll believe that when he comes out, says that he is no longer enabling genocide, and then sticks to it.
What's the counterfactual here that results in less Genocide?
Please tell me how voting for neither of the two major parties means more genocide. Both parties are obviously progenocide.
There is no realistic path for a third party candidate to be elected. Period.
Trump / GOP would be worse. There are republicans publically calling for Gaza to be nuked. Again, Biden is not good but he's better than Trump/GOP on pretty much every measure including Israel/ Palestine
In case anyone was curious:
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If you're still asking this question after 2016, you've had the very simple math explained to you already, you just refuse to accept fault for being addicted to your superiority complex.
You have a very weird way of assigning fault. Just because I vote for someone that you don't think is the correct candidate doesn't make me at fault for potentially Trump winning. How about you blame the DNC instead of third party voters? How about you blame yourself for not changing the DNC enough? See how stupid that sounds?
Look, if you can't do math, that doesn't mean I'm stupid.
And he's already reversed course on that. I called it now he's shipping a billion dollars in other weapons to Israel. So maybe you are, just stupid?
Who?
Which option on the ballot is that?
Use your own brain to figure that out. I'm not here to tell you who to vote for.
Just not to vote evidently.
Reading comprehension: I said I'm not voting for genocide Joe. That does not equal not voting.
Great, you’re going to love Genocide Donald and pals!
My apologies you're right I extrapolated your intent when I shouldn't have.
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I'm not sure what this is supposed to imply
Do you agree that a trump presidency is likely to be more genocide?
So you're saying my choices genocide or genocide-lite?
Trump would be a shitshow again. Doesn't mean I need to vote for genocide Joe
Abstaining does not wash your hands if your choice made it more likely to result in more genocide.
And that's just talking about a single issue, like you said trump will fuck up a lot more things for many more Americans.
Reading comprehension: I'm not abstaining. Thanks for trying. Come again.
Third party then? I voted third party in 2016. Figured as little as I liked Hilary, she had it in the bag, so might as well do a little protesting, eh? Fuck, was I an idiot.
Look at the polls man. The time to protest was in the primaries. November fucking counts. Don't claim you will be sitting there in good conscience as Trump throws out all the court cases against him, maybe stacks the Supreme Court for another decade or two of Conservative control, and pours more fuel on the stupid fucking culture wars that the GOP keeps burning to keep us distracted while the 1% are squeezing us for more and more.
You will have had the chance to make a difference, however small, and you will have fucking wasted it. For your "conscience".
Peer pressure doesn't work for me.
Ah, that was an assumption made because most folks abstain :)
As you suggested, I'll try again.
If your vote results in more genocide being likely, you have not washed your hands of it.
And that's just talking about a single issue. Like you said, a trump presidency will fuck things up for many more Americans, so if your vote results in that being more likely, that's a choice you made.
Voting pro genocide is better than voting no genocide. Gotcha!
What it comes down to is do you care about reducing the harm in the real world, or if you care more about having a clean conscience. Your protest third party vote undoubtedly makes more genocide more likely in the real world, but you get to feel good about not compromising your beliefs, which has its own merit.
If you value a clean conscience over reducing harm in the real world, you do you, I just want to make sure you're aware of the decision you're making.
Just because you've convinced yourself that it works this way doesn't mean it's so.
You're voting for a progenocide candidate. Just remember that when you think "harm reduction".
Do you have any actual counterpoints, or is "nuh uh" the big one?
What are the odds, in your opinion, of a third party vote helping palestinians in the real world?
The person you're arguing with is either wantonly dishonest, insane, or both. They're entirely unreasonable and arguing with them will get you nowhere. On top of that, the audience has moved on. Literally nothing can be gained by continuing the conversation except for frustrating yourself.