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[–] Plume@lemmy.blahaj.zone 107 points 5 months ago (78 children)

On one hand, you have people who are mostly comfortable with letting Palestinians die. On the other, people who openly talk about nuking them.

You have a group of people who may be willing to throw minorities under the bus. And you have another group that is waiting for the opportunity to do so and make it law.

Both choices are terrible, I agree, but there is one that is a clear better over the other. It sucks, but you have to accept that it's the way it is for now and you are not going to pull some third party out of your ass. That is going to have to wait for now. You have to make a decision between the lesser of two evils.

I'm counting on you, Americans. As a trans woman from a European country which political climate is heavily influenced by yours, I can quite confidently say that my rights are in your hands.

Quite frankly, I can't think of a more terrifying thought, but it is what it is.

Don't fuck this up. Please.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 5 months ago (10 children)

I know as Americans we consider ourselves the center of the universe but this is one of those things that warrant it.

With Trump's last win we saw Argentina, Belarus, Brazil, Philippines, Australia, and Italy (just naming a few) in power crazy nut jobs. Attacking your community, immigrants, and the poor bc the US had someone spouting shit daily and being racist/anti immigrant was openly supported. It is like a virus, it spreads.

I hope we crush is attempt to be president again but you never know. We need the young people and millennials to vote. It's hard though.

Stay safe and I hope we have a bright future to look forward too.

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[–] Dreizehn@kbin.social 83 points 5 months ago (7 children)

I’m voting for the lesser of the two evils, which is Blue, in yet another fucked up election. Read your damn history, the US politicians, Blue and Red, always give Israel a blank check for weapons to continue the family blood feud over lots of dried up rocks. Do your civil duty and vote.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 54 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If everyone who says that gets more active at the local level, we have four years to make the choices different next time around.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 47 points 5 months ago (13 children)

People generally don't like actually participating in democracy. And fuck, who can blame them? The essential feature of changing policy in a democratic polity is the hard, arduous, thankless fucking task of fighting an apathetic or actively hostile majority. You don't get to be a hero. You don't get recognition. You may not even see any change at all from your own, personal efforts, sometimes not even locally. Success is measured on the scale of decades. It's fucking miserable. There's no sudden wave of support to ride to victory, there's no cheering crowds showing your opposition how utterly defeated and isolated they are, like you once were; there's no moment of vindication. It's nothing but struggle, toil, and tedium.

Yet, that is how societies change.

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[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but that requires doing more than just doom posting, and we can't have that now can we? /s

So many of the things people bitch about could be lessened (not necessarily resolved, but ffs, perfect is the enemy of good) by getting involved locally and trying to make things better for themselves and their neighbors. Fuck, even working on 3rd party support locally while stemming the bleeding nationally until there's real ground level support would be better, but I guess we gotta tilt at windmills nationally and ignore the local level to get shut done......

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[–] Nom@lemm.ee 68 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (43 children)

Keep protesting from now to the future until we get shit done, but vote Biden regardless. We're stuck with this choice cause this is the only least worst option we have, voting red is just shooting oneself in the foot. Wish Bernie was still an option.

Also fuck the electoral college.

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[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 66 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (25 children)

Not voting because bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe, even after the goddamned 2016-21 dark ages, is the leftist version of anti-vaxx anti-mask. Too many people seem to be equally lazy plus self-centered equals stupid, in all directions.

Whether it's about putting a piece of cloth on your face or voting, they're special; above it all; they know what the truth is, and we're the dumb ones for not seeing it, we're the dumb ones for doing something, for choosing a path of effort/inconvenience/civic duty instead of inaction. And we are the mindless herd to them.

EDIT: Then you tell them that republican and russian troll farms are flooding their discussions, concern trolling about genocide while russia itself is invading Ukraine with genocidal intentions, with the explicit intent to get them to not vote because they are manipulable in bad faith, and do they seem to care?

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[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 61 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Voting for someone who is less bad is harm reduction. You can do harm reduction, while loudly proclaiming that it fucking sucks there’s not a better option, and working to provide better options.

I hate Biden. But I hate (and fear) the prospect of a second trump term more.

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[–] Raxiel@lemmy.world 53 points 5 months ago (7 children)

I'm the person in another country worried about how even the meager progress towards tackling climate change will be enthusiastically and vigorously reversed out of spite thoroughly double fucking the rest of us for good.

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 46 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I don't mean to be paranoid but sometimes I think about who benefits most from conflict and division on the American Left, and whether they have the resources to artificially sow mistrust of reliable news and advance an agenda that benefits Russian interests.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 46 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Some of the nutjobs on Lemmy are actively hoping for another four years of Donald. A collapsing America helps China gain territory.

Not sure how they are so dimwitted as to want openly racist fascists heading up such a large nuclear arsenal. But dimwitted as they are, a good portion of the bothsidesing is deliberate.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Best to block .ml and pretend they do not exist

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[–] S_204@lemm.ee 44 points 5 months ago (54 children)

I'm not American, but I am fascinated by the cognitive dissonance it takes for these People who claim to be progressive to chart a path that clearly puts Trump in office while claiming they're fighting for the very people that Trump has already banned from being in America.

Trump would be bad for America and for the world, but a part of me wants to see y'all elect him again, just out of curiosity. The stupidity knows no bounds.

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Seriously. Pro-Palestinian so they'll let Trump win? Do they think a man who instituted a "Muslim ban" (Trump's own words) is going to side with them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13769

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago

Yeah but the world will know about their adorable little "protest vote" and how Biden just didn't "do it" for them.

That will be our nation's epitaph.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 35 points 5 months ago (17 children)

Bibi wants Biden to lose so he can show the world what actual genocide looks like.

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[–] AliasAKA@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

Really feels like Israel is trying to do the old Russian misinformation game even on Lemmy these days to try and suppress blue votes on a single wedge issue because they know it’s the only way to get Trump elected and get more guns and bombs than they’re already getting, and they wouldn’t get pushback at all for Rafah or any warnings of any sort, just a blank check for wanton genocide.

Like I don’t like what’s happening in Palestine, but I don’t want to make it worse by pretending a non vote would somehow help them. Helping them would be ensuring that the party least likely to enable Israel the most is elected. That’s Joe Biden. Some people have ridiculous nicknames for him but my god wait until they make this look like restraint if Trump gets elected. Palestine would cease to exist almost immediately and Israel will de facto annex it, like Russia is trying to do in Ukraine.

So really you can vote to minimize the pain and suffering of Palestinians or you can not vote to minimize the pain and suffering of Palestinians. Personally I’m gonna vote to minimize the pain and suffering of Palestinians, and also support the environment (again not to the degree I desire), and support abortion access, and trans rights, and taxes for the wealthiest Americans, and, the list goes on, but yeah, I’m gonna vote for Joe Biden.

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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 32 points 5 months ago (9 children)

I just love the white self proclaimed leftists who insist that they're the only ones in all of America who truly take the threat of fascism as seriously as needed and yet their advocated course ot action is to let the fascists get everything they want but blame it on the people actually trying to stop them for not catering enough to white self proclaimed leftist interests.

They'll still be singing the tune of how one day the DNC establishment will totally learn their lesson this time if we protest vote at the election the Christnats are holding as a sham, singing it all the way as they get frog marched to the gas chambers ahead of everyone they let the fascists kill first.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago (4 children)

It's so intensely frustrating. Like, do they think I WANT to be here fighting with people to my left? Fuck, I'm at the point in my life where I don't even want to be fighting online, period. But I also don't want the accepted orthodoxy on here to end up being "ACCELERATIONISM IS GOOD ACTUALLY" by letting this dogshite go unchallenged or letting people asspat the kind of useful idiots who parrot it.

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[–] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Not to sound like a Twitter wokescold or whatever, but Shaun does this all the time. A cishet white guy from England who won't be affected in any way by the outcome of the U.S. election, yet constantly tweets and retweets about how the Democrats and Republicans are totally equally bad and voting makes no difference.

But when we look at what Republicans are doing and saying like...

  • Trump saying he'll be a "dictator for one day"

  • His lawyers arguing that a president killing an opponent should be considered an official act protected by law

  • The potential Republican vice-candidate bragging about shooting a puppy and other farm animals

  • Reports that DeSantis enjoyed torturing people at Guantanamo

  • Multiple Republican politicians and pundits calling for the eradication of trans people

I think this take doesn't hold up. It's no coincidence that many of the people with this mentality are also the ones who'll be minimally affected by a Republican presidency, if at all.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The fact that it's even close is an indictment of the American people.

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[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

Yeah... Pretty much this, only worse.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (3 children)

My biggest concern right now is the Presidential Immunity ruling that the SC won't announce until they know who will be getting it.

That's bullshit. Biden must win so they can shoot the idea down. If Trump wins, they WILL crown him dictator, and Democracy is lost.

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[–] Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 5 months ago

Disclaimer: I'm Australian so I only have a relatively small stake in this, and I'm pretty solidly in the do vote camp.

All that said, I find myself really empathizing with the frustrations I've seen expressed by those who won't vote. Again I don't agree with not voting, I just see there is humanity behind it. It makes me weep that you need to fight about this in the first place, we have preferential voting so it's not an issue at all here, you can vote independent and still prevent the right from taking office.

I hope you all make it through this safely and that you have no regrets in the end. Please look after each other, solidarity is our strength.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

Hey but the protest voter is morally clean while anyone else sUpPoRtS gEnOcIdE

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Cishet white man me livin my life after trump gets elected

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[–] i_ben_fine@lemmy.one 20 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Forever one election away from fascism. The real single-issue voting.

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[–] sweetpotato@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

And they kept on voting blue and both parties kept on getting more reactionary and moving the center to the right ad infimum...

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[–] elliot_crane@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Protest voters downvoting this: YoU cAn’T bLaMe Me FoR tRuMp!

Fucking morons, the lot of them.

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 17 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Well you choose to blame the people instead of blaming Biden who can end all of this today and end up winning in a landslide.

The fact that Biden chooses to risk a Trump administration over ending a genocide should be very concerning to the average voter, but Americans of course rather blame the people than their elites. Same shit like with anti Union stances.

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