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[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Go buy firearms and join/start an LGBTQIA+ militia. Either you train to protect yourself, or you can continue what you are currently doing which is roll over and die in the torrent of hate instead of fighting it back.

[–] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago (3 children)

They were talking about being tired and getting away from it all, what you're describing sounds like the least relaxing activity possible

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You cannot escape bigotry. They spend their free time hating you, it's their fucking hobby and brings them joy. They will eventually find you because they enjoy seeing left-leaning or LGBTQIA people suffering.

You either die soft, slow, dumb, and ignorant to how far they are willing to go to see you gone, or organize and fight it back.

We didn't fight religious fascists and Nazis in WW2 with fucking protests and angry finger waggles and holding up signs.

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Security in armed numbers, security means safety, you can sleep easy if someone else is pulling watch.

I don’t often quote Marx, but this one is highly pertinent:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.

Which in my opinion, speaks to the true intent of the Second Amendment, regardless of whatever the Tribunal of Six is trying to mutate it into these days.

The thing is, unless they are willing to uproot their life and leave the country for somewhere more tolerant, there is no “getting away from it all”.

These fascist fuck stains have been hugely emboldened by the last 8 years. If Trump ends up winning in November, they can and will start forming posses to target anyone who doesn’t conform to the heteronormative ideal. In that context, being able to defend oneself — and being part of a group that is very much on the same page as you about defending theirselves — actually makes it far more comforting than you may realize.

I was going to link to Tenacious Unicorn Ranch in Colorado as a case study, but apparently they were all evicted over a year ago, despite having a positive rapport with and significant support from the surrounding community. That’s really disheartening to hear. Not sure if there’s any sort of similar communities elsewhere of a similar nature (either as successor organizations or simply philosophically similar ones), but a handful of cursory searches didn’t turn up anything.

[–] AsherahTheEnd@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

"Tired of constantly stressing over politics? Buy guns and radicalize yourself, surely you will be much happier and safer!"

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They are already radicalized and continue to do so without stopping.

They already outnumber you and force/infiltrate local governments to enact laws that threaten your existence.

Unless you organize and do the same to counter their actions (LGBTQIA+ friendly militias that train everyday life skills, survival and marksmanship) instead of meekly arguing on the internet, they will fucking destroy you.

[–] AsherahTheEnd@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'd rather be destroyed than fundamentally change my entire fucking life. Why are we never allowed to live comfortable, normal lives? Why do we always have to struggle? If they want me dead so badly, so be it. But they'll have to kill me, am unarmed, untrained individual. If there are people ready and willing to do that, then why would I want to live on this evil planet anymore?

You are fearmongering as well, especially when it's not even feasible for most people to go down the path you seem to think we all should. If our choices are die, or die with a gun in hand, I'll just choose to fucking die.

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You forget we came from what are essentially violent chimps. You can't ignore the fact that many people only respond to violence because they're still unable to shrug of their chimp behaviors due to years of religious indoctrination.

Go ahead and give up, just don't encourage others to simply lay down and die with you because you feel alone in your acceptance of your shitty fate in life.

Instead you should inspire others to fight back for you since you're too lazy to do it your fucking self

[–] AsherahTheEnd@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Easy to criticize when you aren't the one at risk of losing your rights. Fuck you. Your fearmongering bullshit is pathetic, you come off as an internet tough guy and it's sad. Have fun acting tough on Lemmy, if that's what gets you off.

[–] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

I just want to say I'll lay down and die with you if the alternative is whatever psychotic fantasy that other guy is living in.

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It sounds like what I said triggered you, and I sincerely apologize about that. That was not my intent here.

I'm just trying to say if you're okay being a useless person, that's fine.

Just stop encouraging other people to be as useless as you and rather inspire them to take action and make the world better instead of sitting on your ass here with me and arguing dumb things like a typical internet dipshit.

[–] AsherahTheEnd@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're a condescending asshat and you can go fuck yourself.

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one -4 points 5 months ago

I apologize that I suck, I'm not a good communicator.

[–] hyperhopper@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Having the tools and knowledge to keep yourself safe does not make you radicalized. That's like saying learning how to swim or getting a boat means you were radicalized by water. Or learning first aid makes you a radicalized combat medic.

Getting a gun is a much less radical plan than changing countries....

[–] _sideffect@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I agree, if trans people start arming themselves at events, there's no way the cowardly "proud" boys will show up

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If Trans people start open carrying en masse, the state of Texas will have a sudden uptick of scared Uber drivers and maybe the rest of the nation will get more gun control laws a la the Black Panthers, ya know?

Now, if it's concealed carry, they won't have a chance to pull on you before they get a wet sweatshirt, just remember "you were afraid they were going to point it at you."

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

they won't have a chance to pull on you before they get a wet sweatshirt, just remember "you were afraid they were going to point it at you."

Wait what does this mean?

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It means shoot first and claim self-defense like conservatives always do.

I think the "wet sweatshirt" is referring to blood leaking from a wound from the good guy shooting the bad guy before the bad guy could shoot the good guy.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yep, it's rather demoralizing when the side of sanity and critical thought are ranting about getting rid of all firearms, when the other side already has enough firearms to turn a potential civil war into Team America vs. Cavemen Throwing Rocks At Each Other.

Be less like Ghandi and be more like fucking Black Panthers. Or at least support the 2nd Amendment and stop with this pointless bullshit about how we don't need guns because the city police is totally going to have our backs :rollseyes: