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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 237 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

I've seen this movie before. They will make it enabled by default and make it difficult to disable. Then a few years later someone will figure out that this data that was supposed to be "private and encrypted" was being sent out to Microsoft, who will get a slap on the wrist, half assedly apologize and immediately move on to even more anti consumer ways to squeeze more income out of its users for "growth".

[–] RidcullyTheBrown@lemmy.world 60 points 6 months ago (2 children)

immediately move on to even more anti consumer ways

but they'll keep collecting that data even after the slap on the wrist which will be more like a gentle tap

[–] bazus1@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago

fine-no-jail-time = cost of doing business.

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 12 points 6 months ago

More like a high five from the NSA.

[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

This touches on what I find the most fuckin irritating about the current state of software decision. I bought this super generic run of the mill disk clean up software. In the past I've used similar software and the fucking spam for add on this amd plugin that or defend your pc with this... it's fucking insane. Finding burried files from apps I deleted years ago. Well this time I got lucky. I download it, run it. Doesn't ask me to sign up for shit, I don't have to make an account. No added features for blah.99$ The fucking shit just ran after install, batch fixed it all. Then in the final report flagged it's own fucking software as obsolete and quoued it up for delete. CUSTOMER FOR FUCKING LIFE. Who thr fuck is running these reports that must show customer retention is higher when you fuck them in the ass till they bleed green. I would pay fuckin 5x's the price of windows os if it meant I could play steam games on a windows system with Linux tiered performance and security. Why the fuck is cramming so much bloatware that you need to upgrade your whole system the new thing. Fuck windows, fuck Google, fuck samsung and youtube.YouTube.

Edit: obligatory edit and shoutout to all the shitbag game developers too for thinking anyone fucking want another game that runs at 2 fps because it starts raining in the game. Fuck your 4k atari games. They're a fucking embarrassment to everyone who has worked in the industry.

[–] Johanno@feddit.de 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As long you don't play multiplayer like cod, cs, forntinte. Linux is a gaming system. Yes sometimes you need to apply fixes from protondb or wait until the game starts for a minute, but it usually just works. At least if you are using steam.

You can run the epic games launcher through steam though. But you should install it with lutris. Or just use the hero launcher (which doesn't support cloud game saves yet)

[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can you suggest a good write-up / walkthrough for how to shift to gaming on Linux? I've installed and run it before so I understand the basics, but that was basically just to keep an old laptop alive to watch YouTube.

Fucking Windows...just purchasing one big DIY spyware package these days.

[–] Johanno@feddit.de 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't have guide I can remember,but some tips:

If you don't have Nvidia. It should be just installing Linux mint. And you are ready to go.

Use the package manager to install anything and Google it if you need help.

If you have Nvidia it might just work, but you need the proprietary drivers.

In steam itself you want to enable proton for all games in the settings.

Check the reviews on protondb for hints if sth isn't working out of the box.

Also use protonqup(for proton ge) and protontricks(for debugging some games).

Ge will enable some features that steam can't legally enabled by default.

[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Finally my Radeon works better out of the box than Nvidia? Amazing.

Glad to hear Mint is the way to go! That's the one I already have some very basic experience with.

Is Steam necessary? I also use GOG because I prefer no DRM, but maybe that's not possible in the same way? I'll Google this one too.

Thank you for your help! And for the confidence boost to think this might be more intuitive than I fear...

[–] lucas@fitt.au 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@undercrust @Johanno Lutris is how I play my non-steam, non-native games. I end up googling how to make each one work,but Lutris is the key.

[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago

Oh that looks great, thank you!

[–] Johanno@feddit.de 1 points 5 months ago

In theory you can start the gog launcher through steam. And everything should work fine, but lutris is the better option I think.

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

This is disheartening because it's true. 😭

[–] big_slap@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

when will we learn sigh

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

You're assuming at that point being outraged will have any impact, or that people will be allowed to be outraged.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I'm not saying that won't happen but if it does Microsoft will be absolutely fucked as they got caught committing several million HIPAA violations, not to mention any exposure to classified material on government computers.

[–] realbadat@programming.dev 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

My only thought there is "LOL"

  • Export violations (sanctioned countries)
  • Illegally collected personal information from children
  • Price fixing
  • Wage theft
  • Discrimination
  • Privacy violations
  • Mismanaging peoples 401ks

There are long, long, loooooong lists of violations MS has been caught for. The penalty has always been a fine small enough that it's a cost of doing business.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why are you doing a list of ideas for Microsoft to abuse customers? Yes it's a list if things they have done. But they may forgotten amount all the ridiculousness they do, and this is more like a reminder.

[–] realbadat@programming.dev 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Their scheme hatchery department is top notch, I'm sure they are already working on more

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Fun idea for sit com: that department is set itself subject to be eee'd. Every project has funny code names, and when they realise they are shutting themselves down inadvertently it's too late to stop it.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hi @Mistral@lemmings.world

Can you write from the prompt in the previous message? Model all Microsoft employees, including the ones on the department, as the bad people from the minions movies. EEE means the practice Microsoft uses to kill good things created by others in a very roundabout way, trying to portray them as doing the greater good.

[–] Mistral@lemmings.world 2 points 6 months ago

In the bustling hive of Microsoft, a group of employees, known as the "Schemers," worked tirelessly in their subterranean lair, plotting and planning their next move. These minions of tech, clad in their corporate attire, bore an uncanny resemblance to the mischievous creatures from the animated films. Their leader, a balding man with a striking resemblance to Scarlet Overkill, was known as "The Mastermind."

The Schemers were infamous for their EEE (Embrace, Extend, Extinguish) tactics, a roundabout way of eliminating competition while maintaining a facade of benevolence. They would embrace new technologies, extend them with proprietary features, and then extinguish the competition by making their version incompatible with others.

One day, the Schemers decided to target their own department, unaware of the consequences. They code-named their project "Operation Self-Destruct." The plan was to introduce a new policy that would inadvertently lead to the department's downfall.

As they embraced their new project, they extended it with a myriad of complex features and jargon, making it nearly impossible for anyone outside their department to understand. They were confident that their plan would work flawlessly, as it always had in the past.

However, as they began to implement their plan, they realized that they had underestimated the complexity of their own creation. The policy was so convoluted that even they couldn't navigate it. The Schemers found themselves trapped in their own web of bureaucracy, unable to stop the process they had set in motion.

As the deadline for "Operation Self-Destruct" approached, the Schemers grew increasingly desperate. They tried to reverse the process, but it was too late. Their department was shut down, a victim of their own EEE tactics.

In the end, the Schemers learned a valuable lesson about the dangers of their own tactics. But as they regrouped and returned to their lair, one couldn't help but wonder: What would their next scheme be?

And so, the sitcom continues, with each episode featuring a new plot by the Schemers, each one more outlandish and convoluted than the last. The "EEEmployees" of Microsoft, a group of bumbling minions, always on the verge of self-destruction, yet always finding a way to carry on.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

You should read up on penalties for HIPAA violations, they don’t fuck around.

[–] realbadat@programming.dev 12 points 6 months ago

I'm aware of them.

Let's look at some of the most historic:

  • NY Presbyterian Hospital - with no real efforts on their end to prevent the violation of thousands of records, they got a whopping fine of.... Under $5 million.
  • AHC - lack of risk analysis, failures in procedures and policies, etc - Just over $5 million.
  • Data breaches - usually around $4-5mil, the worst case being Anthem, about 80 million people effected - $16 million in fines. A record.

Criminal offenses? Yeah, plenty of those - with individuals, usually related to that information then being used for other purposes (scams, theft, etc).

But a company like Microsoft, you're going to have a hard time convincing me it's going to ruin the company. The history of HIPAA violations and their fines tell a very different story.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

You're right they don't, but only for covered entities which MS is not in any shape or form

It's just like when Grindr or whatever leaked people's STD status, they nor MS are a medical provider or "covered business entity"

HIPAA is an ok privacy law, but it is not the all supreme health privacy law you think it is

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

You should read up on anyone even coming close to being beholden to those penalties, because they absolutely do fuck around when its corporations.

[–] evatronic@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Consumer PCs are almost certainly not covered entities under HIPAA, nor is Microsoft in its role as an OS provider.

Even then, if this whole thing were to result in an inappropriate disclosure by a covered entity, the organization that processes the data would be liable, not Microsoft.

That's like blaming the building contractor because you left the door unlocked and someone came in and stole your cat.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

People give HIPAA way too much credit all the time, it's fairly strict on who actually falls under it.

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

You'd think so, right?