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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 237 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (19 children)

I've seen this movie before. They will make it enabled by default and make it difficult to disable. Then a few years later someone will figure out that this data that was supposed to be "private and encrypted" was being sent out to Microsoft, who will get a slap on the wrist, half assedly apologize and immediately move on to even more anti consumer ways to squeeze more income out of its users for "growth".

[–] RidcullyTheBrown@lemmy.world 60 points 6 months ago (2 children)

immediately move on to even more anti consumer ways

but they'll keep collecting that data even after the slap on the wrist which will be more like a gentle tap

[–] bazus1@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago

fine-no-jail-time = cost of doing business.

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 12 points 6 months ago

More like a high five from the NSA.

[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

This touches on what I find the most fuckin irritating about the current state of software decision. I bought this super generic run of the mill disk clean up software. In the past I've used similar software and the fucking spam for add on this amd plugin that or defend your pc with this... it's fucking insane. Finding burried files from apps I deleted years ago. Well this time I got lucky. I download it, run it. Doesn't ask me to sign up for shit, I don't have to make an account. No added features for blah.99$ The fucking shit just ran after install, batch fixed it all. Then in the final report flagged it's own fucking software as obsolete and quoued it up for delete. CUSTOMER FOR FUCKING LIFE. Who thr fuck is running these reports that must show customer retention is higher when you fuck them in the ass till they bleed green. I would pay fuckin 5x's the price of windows os if it meant I could play steam games on a windows system with Linux tiered performance and security. Why the fuck is cramming so much bloatware that you need to upgrade your whole system the new thing. Fuck windows, fuck Google, fuck samsung and youtube.YouTube.

Edit: obligatory edit and shoutout to all the shitbag game developers too for thinking anyone fucking want another game that runs at 2 fps because it starts raining in the game. Fuck your 4k atari games. They're a fucking embarrassment to everyone who has worked in the industry.

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[–] b3an@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

This is disheartening because it's true. 😭

[–] big_slap@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

when will we learn sigh

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 116 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Remember when this was considered the behavior of malware?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well the malware authors of yore could have gotten away with it, so long as they attached their malware to an even slightly useful program, added an EULA that was 40 pages long and on one of those pages mentioned the malware and had no way to use the software without agreement.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wasn't that basically Bonzi Buddy and whatever software bundled it without any options to opt out? 😆

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The activities the program is said to engage in include constantly resetting the user's web browser homepage to bonzi.com without the user's permission, prompting and tracking various information about the user, installing a toolbar, and serving advertisements

Looks to me like they taught Microsoft well in this area.

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[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 60 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Linux can run from a USB stick to try it out before committing to a full install.

[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not to be that guy but I cold-turkey switched daily driver and I cannot believe I didn't do it earlier. Total amateur "copy-paster" and the only thing I sometimes can't get working are pirated games. Steam changed everything for gaming.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I did the same. To add to the cliche, I went nuclear and jumped into Arch. Games were my biggest concern, but I've had zero issues with games, minor issues with Nvidia, but if I'd have gone with a stable distro, it would have been an easy transition. I'm confident that anyone who can use Windows even semi functionally, can transition to something like Mint with minimal issue. Other than no local MS office apps, I bet most people would assume it's a new Windows release.

[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

I switched my kids' PCs to Pop!_OS and other than "icons moving" yeah they didn't notice.

Especially when they mostly use Firefox and Steam, and those are exactly the same.

[–] Gamers_Mate@kbin.run 53 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

I left windows because of the ai stuff but I didn't expect it to get this bad. This is literally malware.

[–] Raptor_007@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

This is finally it for me. I just can’t justify this any longer and will need to dedicate myself to running some flavor of Linux permanently as my daily driver.

[–] criticon@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 months ago (8 children)

I think I'll do the same. I wasn't switching because of compatibility but I realized that there are only 1 or 2 apps that don't run natively and I don't use them that often

Which distro do you recommend? I haven't used linux in a while, I usually went with ubuntu but I think that's not the go-to anymore?

[–] Gamers_Mate@kbin.run 6 points 6 months ago

I am no expert though I like Linux Mint it has a windows 7 feel to it which makes it a great distro to start with.

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 42 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I’m going to make a Linux distro that helps you forget everything you did on the computer. “Oh, man. I was drunk last night. Thank god BoxWineOS comes with the Neuralyzer program.”

[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

And the program is just some guy who comes by your place and hits you over the head with a baseball bat lol

[–] tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago (7 children)

To use Recall, users will need to purchase one of the new "Copilot Plus PCs" powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite chips, which include the necessary neural processing unit (NPU).

Well, I guess I'm keeping my current notebook for the unforseeable future.

[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

Fear not! Eventually you'll be forced to take an update that will bring this blessing to you:

On devices that are not powered by a Snapdragon® X Series processor, installation of a Windows update will be required to run Recall.

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago

I am really liking Linux Mint more and more . . .

[–] Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 6 months ago

SaaS - Surveillance as a Service

[–] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Can I just continue to not sign in to a Microsoft account and be good? Seems like it’s all tied to that

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There's a great app for easily turning all of the tracking features off: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I heard the next version of Windows will ravage your whole family, and the only solution is to immediately wipe all of your computers and install Linux.

It's too late for me, since I hesitated. Bill's already outside. If only I listened to the obnoxious, uninvited, endless evangelism of the Linux userbase!

Woe is us, the users of the evil platform! Woe!!1!

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's never too late! Call Tux and he'll rush over to do battle with Bill.

[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They were already doing this before AI. Using windows is a bad idea.

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[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Seems like this will not be a thing in most typical PCs, for the time being, as it requires specific hardware and opt in to a feature.

Not liking how pervasive AI features have become, though.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 9 points 6 months ago

The joke is that the model itself runs locally, but it still is basically spyware that then will be used for data harvesting. Typically you run local LLMs to avoid this exact purpose / risk. So MS isn't even willing to give you the performance benefit of running the LLM on their servers for doing this.

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[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Someone will figure out how to turn it off again in fairly short order (it might be as simple as a mklink to NUL for the storage directory, causing it to send its recordings into the void). What irritates me more is the typical Microsoft misuse of the word "feature".

(I mean, this thing does have some potential uses (imagine being able to see what that elderly relative you provide tech support for actually did when they claim they "did nothing"), but the privacy concerns vastly outweigh them.)

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[–] Sabata11792@kbin.social 10 points 6 months ago

Everyone knows Microsoft is going to wait a bit for the seeds to sprout and harvest all that data.

[–] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

The thing that annoys me with this kind of thing is that there’s so much tech like this that COULD be really useful if we had absolutely any trust in Microsoft and big tech at all.

Like… data, data collection, ai, and big data could be so useful for general users, but instead of creating useful ui and features for users, they only suck up all our data to build nice charts for advertisers and feed all our data to ai that can help them train their advertising models to try and extract more money from us.

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[–] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"Recall uses Copilot+ PC advanced processing capabilities to take images of your active screen every few seconds,"

Seems like a lot of extra disk thrashing that would shorten the life expectancy of an SSD? Like it would be considerably more than your usual background chatter of daemons writing to log files and what not. Unless I'm misunderstanding this?

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 9 points 6 months ago

What an amazing feature!

For Microsoft...

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

It's funny. Security folks say how insecure Windows XP is, and how it becomes compromised within seconds/minutes of having an internet connection. It's like Microsoft took that as a playbook challenge to repeat as an OOTB feature, instead of waiting for malware to do it.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 6 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


At a Build conference event on Monday, Microsoft revealed a new AI-powered feature called "Recall" for Copilot+ PCs that will allow Windows 11 users to search and retrieve their past activities on their PC.

To make it work, Recall records everything users do on their PC, including activities in apps, communications in live meetings, and websites visited for research.

By performing a Recall action, users can access a snapshot from a specific time period, providing context for the event or moment they are searching for.

For example, someone with access to your Windows account could potentially use Recall to see everything you've been doing recently on your PC, which might extend beyond the embarrassing implications of pornography viewing and actually threaten the lives of journalists or perceived enemies of the state.

Despite the privacy concerns, Microsoft says that the Recall index remains local and private on-device, encrypted in a way that is linked to a particular user's account.

To use Recall, users will need to purchase one of the new "Copilot Plus PCs" powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite chips, which include the necessary neural processing unit (NPU).


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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (9 children)

I think Microsoft's ultimate goal is to turn your computer into a locked-down console. Infested with data collection malware. And it won't allow third-party apps ever.

My next computer will be a dual-boot machine. I will use Windows ONLY for gaming. No personal info or activity on that partition at all. And I'll use Linux to get sh*t done.

[–] doubletwist@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Steam had been making Linux pretty darn good for gaming too, even for games that are technically Windows only.

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