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[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 37 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Literally was told this as a child in Sunday school

That while we are all capable of sin, mankind is fundamentally good and that's why Jesus sacrificed himself for us

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The sacrifice specifically relieved mankind of the burden of Original Sin. It's the whole point of the thing. Slate cleaned. For all mankind not just the children of Abraham. Now it's up to you to live a good life.

Of course a bunch of USA 'catholics' would chafe at the idea of not being able to judge or hate. A nation founded on genocide and racism has a real tough time not poisoning the fuck out of any new (edit: or old) concepts it encounters.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Wait so did all humans before Christ have original sin? What are the implications of this according to Catholic theology? Like would all cavemen have gone to hell?

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but they weren't really aware of cavemen back when they cooked it all up. Also I think you just go to purgatory, not hell. I haven't really been up on my catechism since my mid teens so like 20+ years ago.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, if I remember proper, Purgatory was invented as the answer to this conundrum

But specifically for unbaptised babies

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 3 points 5 months ago

That sounds correct. Babies and the souls of people who led virtuous lives but had no knowledge of Jesus.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 6 points 5 months ago

"going to hell" wasn't as much of a concept till Dante's inferno; it wasn't a major concern

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I got taught the opposite at Sunday school because my parents attended a Baptist church. I remember the acronym TULIP and being told that we are all guilty of sin before God. Then we moved to another Baptist church that was not a reformed church and rejected Calvinism, but was full of evangelical brainworms

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Must have been rough, especially since I got a lot of shit at my slightly more progressive Sunday school anyway for asking my little autistic kid questions

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It only got rough later, I was pretty much a true believer in evangelical Christianity, young earth creationism, etc until I was 14 years old or so. Then I started questioning, and by 16 I was an atheist and no longer attended church