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If you are keeping score at home, you have surely noticed that the two most important defense officials in Benjamin Netanyahu’s war cabinet — Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and the former military chief of staff Benny Gantz — warned last week that Netanyahu is leading Israel into a disastrous abyss by refusing to present any plan for non-Hamas Palestinians to govern Gaza and appears to be contemplating a long-term Israeli military occupation of Gaza instead. Gantz said he would leave the government if there was no plan by June 8.

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“Netanyahu’s acquiescence to the extreme right, Smotrich and Ben-Gvir, has generally been seen as motivated out of his need to keep his coalition together and himself out of jail,” Friedman told me. “Now it seems that he has willingly sold his soul to the extreme right. One explanation is that the extreme religious right projects a Messianic image onto him that corresponds with his own sense of having been called to save Israel and the Jewish people. He has a plan for the day after and it’s very clear to anyone who listens: ‘Total victory’ — and eventually the return of Jewish settlement there. Israel is on the way to reoccupying Gaza.”

If that happens, Israel will become an international pariah and Jewish institutions everywhere will be torn between Jews who will feel the need to defend Israel — right or wrong — and those who, with their kids, will find it indefensible.

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[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 8 points 1 month ago

Yeah. Just another little step.

The question is: Is there a legitimate other option?

No fantasy perfect scenario world, or all people being made to be better and more caring. As is, can we come up with a solution, a driving force, even a solid nudge to alter course and direction, so that this impact doesn't slam into us no matter what, accepting that the inertia is already behind it.

I say this fully knowing that Biden does little other than to appease the upper class corporate interests that be and keep everything feeling on track so that it feels like someone else's problem to anyone above it.

But fuck me, I can't think of an out that doesn't involve fantastical imagination at this point.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Like the violent revolution of the progressives against a Trump-run government, through the masses of militant local and state police officers, and bloodthirsty and loyal right wingers?

Extremist progressives certainly aren’t the mathematicians of the left.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"After ~~Hitler~~ Trump, our turn."

I mean historically we can see how well the people rise up to stop the national Fascist party.

People like money and feeling comfortable and it doesn't matter how many necks must be stepped on for most.

We over assume that the empathetic humans are the ones that make up the majority. We are right they are mostly non violent but people are easy to turn a blind eye.

So yeah, can't expect that so what can we do? I'm at bake cakes and see if I ever get a chance to kill a Nazi and be put to the firing squad.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'll get banned for this but we need to show up at Trump's shit and boo him and demand he be thrown in jail, he needs extreme heat and the same right wing tactics shoved up his ass. We also need to put aside our differences as leftists and decide what is more important: keeping Trump at bay or stopping Israeli support. If you chose one right now, the other doesn't happen. We are in the most fucked up situation. I don't blame people for rejecting it and wanting different options. But what they need to realize is Biden can be held accountable even if he wins this election. Trump will make sure nobody in power is ever held accountable again.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

The protests (both on campus and in primary voting) and continuing electoral concerns were what got Biden to his current not-100% support of genocide. It isn't like there's an irrevocable switch pulled right now that chooses between "Palestine" or "Biden". He can be pushed to improve now, which will in turn help his election. You can't look at the past 6 months and think protest doesn't work.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

He is never going to do a 180. He is never going to admit what is happening is a genocide. I believe that will cost him the election. I believe Ben knows this and wants our government to be right-wing like his. I believe after November, we will have to forcibly remove Trump after he destroys democracy. I hope I eat these words.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

He doesn't have to do a 180 to get the anti-genocide bloc to vote for him, he just needs to be better than he is. No one is expecting him to lead the charge at the ICC, but he's gotta stop sucking Netanyahu's toes.

And yeah, I think Netanyahu is absolutely happy to destroy Biden's reputation and reelection, and it's frankly bizarre that Biden doesn't recognize him as an antagonist. Chuck Schumer was right to directly call him out as one of the main problems. Biden's biggest flaw is he thinks bad people will be his friend if he "hugs" them. He gets proven wrong time and again but keeps at it. But if he's not able to get over that mistaken belief on his own, cold hard electoral math will hopefully get him to take the right position even if he doesn't believe in it.

[-] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I'm sure his administration is rushing around like lunatics to try to orchestrate something behind the scenes. They know their shortest path to victory is being able to say "Look! We brokered a cease fire! We ended the war!" But they know they can't throttle back one iota until that becomes a reality. He temporarily paused a bomb shipment and the media piled all over his ass in a chorus with Republicans (and some Democrats). Suddenly he was "helping Hamas". I think that's the true poison pill of his whole debacle. If he does anything other than full-throated support, he will be labeled an antisemite and also an ally to terrorists because the media is largely feckless and naive and can be led around by the nose. The right wing mediasphere is practically salivating at the prospect of Biden giving them a potent attack angle.

I hope he finds the goldilocks zone soon, but I'm afraid it's vanishingly small and shrinking every day.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

But they know they can’t throttle back one iota until that becomes a reality.

This is just an utter failure in leadership. The majority of his party doesn't support Israel's war. A smaller majority of all Americans don't support it. If you can't make that a winning issue and feel straightjacketed by the opinion of your enemies, that's a you problem.

You sources are, for reference:

Biden needs to realize who his friends and allies are. Fuck the rightwing mediasphere. If they were able to dictate which position would lose Biden the election, it's already over. The 26 Democrats are the only problem in that whole list, and they've been a thorn in his eye before and were brought to heel by the party machinery reinforcing that opposing your own party's president is a bad idea.

[-] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I cited those sources specifically to show what his enemies will flood the airwaves with if he changes course. Their bias is exactly the problem I'm illuminating.

[-] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth -5 points 1 month ago

I don’t believe he will be held accountable.

It doesn’t help that he has his own bunch of magats that will support him no matter what.

I honestly believe that Biden could rape a toddler on video, while holding up his id and giving his full social security number, and there are still a good chunk of people that would vote for him

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Umm, Biden? What are you talking about? He is already getting backlash and there hasn't been a ruling by the ICC. Democrats don't get away with shit like Republicans do because their base doesn't idealize people but ideals. He will be hemorrhaging support and from there no one will defend him. The only thing that will save him is Trump, which his stance on Israel after all this time gives him the appearance of being okay with that.

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