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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 12 points 6 months ago (8 children)

There is actually a crisis at the border, just not the kind that Fox News thinks is going on.

The rate of people coming into the country has shot up, which means there's this massive amount of people either waiting in sort of open-air camps on the Mexican border, just living in a crowded, dusty field for months and months waiting for their turn, and a massive amount of people already in the country in overcrowded detention centers awaiting their chance to be heard for asylum by a judge or to be processed out and sent home. Just typing it out like that maybe doesn't sound so bad, but it's grim. Some are families, some are sick (like real sick), all are with no jobs or money or a lot of times no civilized infrastructure like water or like that. Some are stuffed into overcrowded detention centers with racist, violent guards and no real rights of any kind.

Part of the Democratic immigration plan is to boost resources for ICE (more detention centers i.e. less overcrowding) and increase the number of judges to clear the backlog, which will decrease that side of the misery. Part of the plan is to deliberately increase the cruelty in some parts of the system (e.g. make it harder for people to get asylum even if your home is objectively unlivable, give ICE more aggressive tools to be racist with, things like that), so that the Republicans will make a deal and actually pass the thing. I honestly don't know what proportion is for each part, but there's some of both.

I honestly don't know that much about it, except that it's weird that people are so eagerly blaming the Democrats both for the present levels of misery in the system (which are substantial), and for their attempts to get something passed which will take some steps to alleviate the worst of the misery (how dare you give ICE more resources, etc). But since the Republicans have been rejecting any change no matter what its nature, it seems like maybe kind of a moot point.

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

ICE is a fascist organization that serves no purpose other than terrorizing migrants. Anyone who funds them is also a fascist. There's not overcrowding because of a lack of means, it's because that's explicitly what ICE (and right-wingers) want; human suffering as a deterrent.

The crisis at the border is manufacturered by the right (both democrats and republicans). There is only a crisis in so far as they started treating migrants as if they were terrorists. The way to end the crisis is to be less fascist, not more.

Democrats are pushing extremely far right legislation. They're not trying to make legal migration more orderly, they're trying to "crackdown" same as the GOP. It's why Biden rolled back very few if any of Trump's insane policies; they're both deeply racist.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

ICE is a fascist organization

True dat

that serves no purpose other than terrorizing migrants

Debatable but yeah you could make a pretty strong case. Certainly that's one of their core missions if not the core mission.

Anyone who funds them is also a fascist

You fund them, through taxes, if you live in the US

Oh wait, you might say, that's different because I don't really have a choice because of etc etc

How does it feel funding a fascist organization?

There's not overcrowding because of lack of means

Citation needed

Are you suggesting that there are empty ICE detention facilities somewhere, that aren't holding any migrants so that they can be deliberately put into only a few of them?

Or that they're all full and there is money to build more / staff more that's just not being touched on purpose, because ICE cares so much about being cruel that they're forgoing hiring more people and adding more hours just so they can run a smaller operation?

They don't really have a shortage of ways to be cruel, even if there were no overcrowding.

Democrats are pushing extremely far right legislation. They're not trying to make legal migration more orderly, they're trying to "crackdown" same as the GOP. It's why Biden rolled back very few if any of Trump's insane policies; they're both deeply racist.

This all sounds like all assertion no citation, to me.

Actually family separation (rather starting a task force to find the families of the separated kids) was one of the first reversals of Trump's policies that Biden did but there are a whole bunch of them. The separation was already stopped because it was too horrifying even for US immigration authorities, but the kids were still in custody with no effort to give them back to their parents until Biden. It was like one of his first things he did.

No idea why you're so committed to rocking back and forth chanting to yourself, Biden's a bad man, Biden's a bad man, Biden's a bad man. You can talk about Gaza and find no shortage of terrible things he did; you don't have to react to something factual by just starting to chant it again in every case.

[–] juicy 0 points 6 months ago

During Biden's campaign in 2020, he promised "there will not be another foot of wall constructed in my administration." But then he waived two dozen laws to continue constructien on the border wall, including the Endangered Species Act, the Clean Water Act and other environmental protections. [pbs]

Biden maintained Trump’s Title 42 policy, which expelled asylum seekers under the pretext of protecting public health, for more than two years after taking office, even as the ACLU was suing to put an end to the policy.

He also chose to adopt a reworked version of another Trump immigration policy innovation, prompting more lawsuits:

The Biden administration has instituted its version of Trump’s asylum transit ban. That rule allows immigration enforcement officials to turn away migrants for a number of reasons: if they do not have valid travel and identification documents, if they’ve traveled through another country without applying for asylum, if they don’t show up at a port of entry at an appointed time, and more. [Vox]

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