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Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending Sunday 16 June 2024 (awful.systems)
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Need to make a primal scream without gathering footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid!

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] fasterandworse@awful.systems 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm afraid their character has been exposed

I uninstalled when they announced it but this week's news says it's time to uninstall macos too

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

For the moment, I’m choosing to believe the following: 1) that itermdev was operating under hyped-engineer mode and choosing cluelessly as a result (and I sorely hope they learned something through this), 2) that Apple is too selfish to go hard on openai (because it means less money for them)

#2 I’m a smidge more certain about

But both of them are deeply “ugh, fuck” kinda feelings for me.

[–] fasterandworse@awful.systems 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You're probably right. I have just lost patience and trust for software in general.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 6 months ago

I hear ya.

[–] jonhendry@awful.systems 5 points 6 months ago

I haven't seen the details but apparently Apple may not be paying OpenAI for the ChatGPT functionality. So macOS may not be using ChatGPT heavily.

[–] counteractor@pawoo.net 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I seem to remember iTerm doing something weird about 10 years ago, like adding telemetry, but I can’t find it…

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] fasterandworse@awful.systems 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

iTerm2's leak issue was first discovered ten months ago. iTerm2's creator initially reacted by adding an option to iTerm 3.0.13 that allowed users to disable DNS lookups. The feature remained turned on by default for new and existing installations.

jfc

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 9 points 6 months ago

to get on my soapbox for a moment: iterm2 is in objc, which still has a lot of the ancillary problems that C has. testing properly is one of them - I can easily see such kind of fuckups slipping past by simple virtue of human error, possibly helped along by shitty tools/choices[0]. for example, I know of nothing in C-land that enables property-based testing, and from a quick check it seems that XCTest also runs on the human-enumerated-tests philosophy. so if no-one writes the test that'll catch it, it could at best be caught by accident (through something else maybe triggering it).

and people are also really fucking bad at thinking in/about side effects. even a lot of systems thinkers seem to fuck that up.

/soapbox

[0] - I was recently debugging why a particular piece of Go software wasn't outputting anything I was expecting at the log level I had it set. quickly went to its repo, glanced at the code just to check if my expectation was right, then popped a message to a friend who deals with more Go than I do (which is near-nil, because it is a GARBAGE FUCKING LANGUAGE OF AND CAUSING NIGHTMARES, gah). he reminded me of the fact that Go had fairly recently fixed a bug in its stdlib logging library that had fucked up which levels it would handle things, due to an error in the fucking switch statement. for the stdlib goddamn logger. a bug which had been there for over 2y iirc.

[–] counteractor@pawoo.net 4 points 6 months ago

Yeah, I that’s probably what I was thinking of.