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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

The conservatives opinions bother me. But the authoritarianism is the bigger issue to me. This desire to force their opinions and wills on other people instead of living their lives as they want and leaving others alone is far more problematic.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The problem though is tht once the conservative Republicans joined hand with the religious right decades ago, it's been on a steady course towards authoritarianism

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Agreed. It's why I'll always oppose them.

[–] Delusional@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And what really irks me is that there needs to be some semblance of authoritarianism to stop their authoritarianism. Otherwise they'll keep pushing and pushing and won't ever stop.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's like the paradox of tolerance. Or "extreme situations call for extreme measures".

[–] skulblaka@startrek.website 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The "paradox" of tolerance isn't a paradox, it's a social contract. If you do not abide by the terms of the contract, you are not protected by it. It's that simple.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Treating it as a social contract where tolerance is limited in certain situations is a resolution of the paradox. The paradox itself is just "if you try to tolerate everything, you'll have to tolerate intolerance" or "you can't maximize tolerance by tolerating everything". Though that second one is more of an irony than a paradox.

[–] skulblaka@startrek.website 3 points 5 months ago

And that's fair, I guess in that sense it is a true paradox. It just appears a little different in theory and in practice - the theory is the paradox, the practice is not.

Sorry, calling out that it's a social contract is a bit of a knee-jerk response for me, after years of having people whip out the paradox of tolerance as some kind of "gotcha, LIBS!!!" because being tolerant of unfamiliar lifestyles doesn't mean I won't punch a nazi when it's relevant. And that's poorly understood. My rights end where yours begin, and vice versa, but if you start actively infringing on the rights of others and souring that contract, it is our duty as righteous citizens to put you back in your box. Sometimes that means "hey knock it off asshole", sometimes that means hunting down bigots and deleting their kneecaps. Depends what you're guilty of and where.