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Also who's your pick for winner of the arbitrary 4-way american civil war? Personally I'm hoping for the West, but I'm worried Northeast might sneak victory in when nobody's looking

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 36 points 4 months ago (3 children)

West has the economy and the defensive geography. It is impossible for them to lose.

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

the west will balkanize further thos.. it is to diverse .. the desert plateus , the Fjords and giant trees around seattle , california stealing all their water.. Theocracies versus technocracy.. also oregon , maybe somethig about oregon is also special.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I mean yeah the faction is fictional and unlikely but the question is based on if the factions were the above image. West has the strongest geography going for them.

[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago

But not as far as shipping. The great lakes facilitated a lot of expansion.

[–] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I'd actually argue against this. They have the west coast sure, but their territory is split down the middle by the largest mountain range in the US and deserts. It will be a massive pain in the ass trying to get supplies and troops from the west coast to the interior, especially since I don't think the west has air superiority in this hypothetical scenario.

E) Unless The West has control of the US's Pacific territories, which I don't see why they wouldn't strike out for independence in this situation.

E2) In a prospective conflict, I actually think the west would get pushed back to the rockies by the south/midwest and basically become a merchant republic based out of california with strong ties to China and everybody more or less leaving them alone because at that point it'd be more trouble than it's worth having to sail ships through Panama or whatever.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's the mountains that I consider to be the thing that makes them so much more defensible than the other factions. They're the faction that is least defeatable at the least.

Is the interior particularly important in the event of a war? Big empty space. As long as what they need to maintain the war effort is placed in more defensive locations it's actually not important territory.

[–] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They're the faction that is least defeatable at the least.

This I totally agree with, at a certain point it would just be too much of a pain in the ass to deal with them, hence why I think they'll end up just being a neoliberal hellhole confined to the California valley.

Is the interior particularly important in the event of a war? Big empty space. As long as what they need to maintain the war effort is placed in more defensive locations it's actually not important territory.

Not really aside from fresh water (there is a separate water table east of the Rockies see image below), air bases, and nuclear silos. There's arable land as well but I don't think that's as important considering the breakup. The most important factor probably being the Nuke silos, and aquifer which will get more important as time goes on.

Aquifer and Climate maps of US

[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 4 months ago

not to mention political legitmancy as the central power, control of the militarys assets and the big red button.