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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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It's maybe not unreasonable, but as someone living in Norway with only neutral/positive experience with police, it certainly rubs me the wrong way when people speak of it as if it is an universal truth. Especially as American online culture inevitably affects Norwegian kids' view of society, which is very different from the American society.
Oh for sure, you guys actually train yours!
Yeah and that's really the core issue. Cops aren't evil people but the US policing context is toxic AF
Yeah it's a whole systemic thing, frankly there isn't really "one issue," but a multitude all working together. Stuff like no knock raids, qualified immunity, even just "one's tendency to stick up for one's friends" which we all have and we all do, but when you're the police force covering crimes it's a lot different than me clocking my friend in to work when he's running 5min late and doesn't want to be fired about it.
But as you say there are indeed plenty of good cops, though the "good ones" can't even do anything about the bad ones and so they end up being complicit or fired, making them "also kinda bad" or "no longer cops." That is another part of the phrase and why it's not "SCAB or MCAB, Some/most Cops Are Bastards," tbf.
It is a sweeping generalization, though, and as such it can never be 100% accurate by nature. Sweeping generalizations are too...general.
Personally I'd like more focus on the politicians who allow this system to be the way it is than the people working in the system (of course, you have to do both)
Police in the U.S. carry firearms at all times. Even those that get sent to assist with mental health checks, pack a firearm on their hip. Which means there's an implicit threat of force if you do not comply.
So, ACAB, at least in the U.S.
If children can't understand that U.S. police are not the same as Norwegian police, just by that above difference, I don't know what to tell you. Track their socials better, I guess. There's a ton of far more toxic shit coming out of this country than ACAB.
Of course, the worst influences affects adults/politics instead. That doesn't mean all other issues should just be ignored though.
That really isn't how it work though, and the saying isn't AACAB...
Okay well then educate your children about where that saying comes from and why some people feel that way instead of being pissed that people and other countries have different views of police than you do?
The saying started in the 1920s when police were brought in to bust up strikes, in the UK.
So why are you blaming Americans anyway?
Sure, let me go around the whole country of Norway to remind every kid/teen browsing the Internet that most of what they read are about a completely different society, and that all those people speaking in absolutes are in fact wrong...
I'm not really "pissed" about it, I'm get slightly annoyed the few times it pops up but that's about it.