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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 41 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

Some of Kurzweil's predictions in 1999 about 2009:

  • “Unused computes on the Internet are harvested, creating … human brain hardware capacity.”
  • “The online chat rooms of the late 1990s have been replaced with virtual environments…with full visual realism.”
  • “Interactive brain-generated music … is another popular genre.”
  • “the underclass is politically neutralized through public assistance and the generally high level of affluence”
  • “Diagnosis almost always involves collaboration between a human physician and a … expert system.”
  • “Humans are generally far removed from the scene of battle.”
  • “Despite occasional corrections, the ten years leading up to 2009 have seen continuous economic expansion”
  • “Cables are disappearing.”
  • “grammar checkers are now actually useful”
  • “Intelligent roads are in use, primarily for long-distance travel.”
  • “The majority of text is created using continuous speech recognition (CSR) software”
  • “Autonomous nanoengineered machines … have been demonstrated and include their own computational controls.”
[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 33 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Some of Kurzweil's predictions in 1999 about 2019:

A $1,000 computing device is now approximately equal to the computational ability of the human brain. Computers are now largely invisible and are embedded everywhere. Three-dimensional virtual-reality displays, embedded in glasses and contact lenses, provide the primary interface for communication with other persons, the Web, and virtual reality. Most interaction with computing is through gestures and two-way natural-language spoken communication. Realistic all-encompassing visual, auditory, and tactile environments enable people to do virtually anything with anybody regardless of physical proximity. People are beginning to have relationships with automated personalities as companions, teachers, caretakers, and lovers.

Also:

Three‐dimensional nanotube lattices are now a prevalent form of computing circuitry.

And:

Autonomous nanoengineered machines can control their own mobility and include significant computational engines.

And:

ʺPhoneʺ calls routinely include high‐resolution three‐dimensional images projected through the direct‐eye displays and auditory lenses. Three‐dimensional holography displays have also emerged. In either case, users feel as if they are physically near the other person. The resolution equals or exceeds optimal human visual acuity. Thus a person can be fooled as to whether or not another person is physically present or is being projected through electronic communication.

And:

The all‐enveloping tactile environment is now widely available and fully convincing. Its resolution equals or exceeds that of human touch and can simulate (and stimulate) all of the facets of the tactile sense, including the sensing of pressure, temperature, textures, and moistness. Although the visual and auditory aspects of virtual reality involve only devices you have on or in your body (the direct‐eye lenses and auditory lenses), the ʺtotal touchʺ haptic environment requires entering a virtual reality booth. These technologies are popular for medical examinations, as well as sensual and sexual interactions with other human partners or simulated partners. In fact, it is often the preferred mode of interaction, even when a human partner is nearby, due to its ability to enhance both experience and safety.

And:

Automated driving systems have been found to be highly reliable and have now been installed in nearly all roads.

And:

The type of artistic and entertainment product in greatest demand (as measured by revenue generated) continues to be virtual‐experience software, which ranges from simulations of ʺrealʺ experiences to abstract environments with little or no corollary in the physical world.

And:

The expected life span, which, as a (1780 through 1900) and the first phase result of the first Industrial Revolution of the second (the twentieth century), almost doubled from less than forty, has now substantially increased again, to over one hundred.

[–] self@awful.systems 33 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Kurzweil really is indistinguishable from a shitty phone psychic, including the followers who cherry pick “correct” predictions and interpret the incorrect ones so loosely they could mean anything (I’m waiting for some fucker to pop up and go “yeah duh Apple Vision Pro” in response to half of those, ignoring the inconvenient “works well and is popular” parts of the predictions)

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] dgerard@awful.systems 14 points 4 months ago

if only he'd written in quatrains!

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The all‐enveloping tactile environment is now widely available and fully convincing. Its resolution equals or exceeds that of human touch and can simulate (and stimulate) all of the facets of the tactile sense, including the sensing of pressure, temperature, textures, and moistness.

I'm picturing the VR dildo-suit from Upload.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 7 points 4 months ago

You know he also did.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Three‐dimensional nanotube lattices are now a prevalent form of computing circuitry.

I've reread this sentence a few times now and I am just gobsmacked as to what it was intended to have meant. never dug into this particular espouser because from the moment I came across their name I smelled the kook, but I'm ~~not~~ now almost deathly curious to know exactly what the context of this particular prediction was (which near certainly was some shit riffed on from half a bit of statement of research people were looking into)

(e: whoops hella-freudian typo)

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

the underclass is politically neutralized...

Jesus, Ray, phrasing

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, those words were written around the End Of History, when fascism was known to be safely extinct and nobody in their right mind would have assumed that such a phrase referred to it.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 14 points 4 months ago

Francis should not have, in fact, lightened up

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 5 months ago (2 children)

“Humans are generally far removed from the scene of battle.”

if you have budget for that, against an enemy that doesn't

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

"Humans are generally far removed from the scene of battle" (if you don't count the people that the drones are blowing up)

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, this can be made true by the simple expedient of redefining who counts as “human”

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 9 points 5 months ago

Something about redefining a person as a shield based on how much of their body absorbs the blast. Below that threshold they contain the property of the US military and are considered potential recycling recepticles.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 5 months ago

yeah, and it's been like this since brits used freshly invented heavy machine guns in their colonial wars. machines killing machines is just what will cause army bean counters to burn at stake operators of these machines

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If only there was any large active warzone that has largely devolved into positional warfare for two years now to disprove that claim, damn.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Damn, if only.

Drones mostly target humans and crewed vehicles, not other drones (and disable rapidly and suddenly un-crewed vehicles) (with rare exceptions of recon drones crashing other recon drones by breaking their propellers and like 1 or 2 cases of FPV drones shooting down fixed wing recon drones. anti-drone warfare is mostly EW, then AAA and things like MANPADS or even bigger missiles depending on how valuable that drone is as a target)

Besides, last time i've checked it was not drones that took or retook Vovchansk (80% ish Ukrainian controlled last week), it was tanks, arty, mechanized infantry, maybe a dash of CAS and loads of AA and jammers, you know, just like in every war since 80s or even bit earlier. Loads of small cheap PGMs do work great in anti-vehicle role, and drones are just that, so it makes everybody hide fair bit harder

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

if i have to guess, the thing that prevents mobility now is constant surveillance, also by drones + lots of artillery, and some attack drones too. the thing that will enable large scale movements will be air dominance and even more EW

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You also need an extremely well ran, integrated, well-trained, well-supplied army to run modern system warfare. Russia's army is hardly modernised, and I suspect they wouldn't be really willing to run a command model that gives a lot of authority to the lower ranks.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 4 months ago

yeah if you want to have so different pieces working together, you need training that makes exploitation of it all possible, goes without saying

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I dunno about roads but the stoplights are intelligent and they hate bicyclists with their entire robot souls. I have been trapped and tormented in a left-turning lane by an evil robot demi-god that would never let the left-turn signal turn green. Harrowing.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

brain-generated music

???????

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

“In the future, there will be brain-generated music”, said Ray Kay, to a young disciple.

“But Master Ray, isn’t music generally brain generated?”, the disciple asked.

“No, you fucking idiot. You fucking buffoon. How dare you question me,” replied Ray. It was then that the disciple reached enlightenment.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 10 points 4 months ago

my response to ray involves making music with an entirely different organ

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

“Unused computes on the Internet are harvested, creating … human brain hardware capacity.”

Neuralink

“The online chat rooms of the late 1990s have been replaced with virtual environments…with full visual realism.”

VRChat

“Interactive brain-generated music … is another popular genre.”

Algoraves

“the underclass is politically neutralized through public assistance and the generally high level of affluence”

Obamacare

“Diagnosis almost always involves collaboration between a human physician and a … expert system.”

Asimo

[–] suction@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 9 points 4 months ago
[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 9 points 4 months ago

you might not be tall enough for this ride